Who can do the punching of door VIN stickers?, I cannot find a dealer to do it. Options

[burton73]

I called George at AA and he says he has a great VIN sticker for the 914-6 just like this one saying made by Porsche but I need someone to punch the holes to match my VIN numbers. I have all my VIN’S everywhere on the car but there and that is a great item for a restoration. He said to ask the club to see if there is a hole punch person in our group.

Nice blue color.

Thanks,

Bob

[Cap'n Krusty]

It's pretty likely a federal crime for ANYONE other than Porsche itself to do what you're asking. Not George, not me, not an authorized dealer. For sure it's a state crime here in CA. The Cap'n

[914efi]

Put it between two thin sheets of (wood,plastic,metal,?) and program a CNC mill to drill the holes.

[ptravnic]

It's pretty likely a federal crime for ANYONE other than Porsche itself to do what you're asking. Not George, not me, not an authorized dealer. For sure it's a state crime here in CA. The Cap'n

On par w/ripping the label off a mattress...

[rick 918-S]

It's pretty likely a federal crime for ANYONE other than Porsche itself to do what you're asking. Not George, not me, not an authorized dealer. For sure it's a state crime here in CA. The Cap'n

On par w/ripping the label off a mattress...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) If it were my car and the door jam sticker was gone I'd do it in a minute and never look back. I like the CNC idea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

[Cap'n Krusty]

It's pretty likely a federal crime for ANYONE other than Porsche itself to do what you're asking. Not George, not me, not an authorized dealer. For sure it's a state crime here in CA. The Cap'n

On par w/ripping the label off a mattress...

Hardly. This one's for real, and the penalties are too. Having gone through 2 years of CHP random "spot checks" of my shop and parking lot because I was remotely associated with a VW pan and title that passed through my hands, I can assure you they take VIN labels VERY seriously, something they made exceedingly clear to me. A few months back I inquired about simply R&Ring the decal for a restoration, and the answer is NO, you can't even do that on your own car, much less anyone else's.

The Cap'n

[IronHillRestorations]

Hell the Feds can't do much about "real" crime, I'm guessing they've got better things to do than worry about someone replacing a VIN sticker on a restored 914.

By strict letter of the law, John's probably right, but I'd say it would be a crime to worry about if you were trying to defraud anyone. If you were trying to swap the VIN on a salvage or stolen car, then it's another ball game.

If it was that big a deal, then you couldn't purchase new stickers from Porsche.

My .02. I've got at least two cars here that need a replacement.

[GWN7]

You can purchase new stickers thru Porsche, but they are the new style and don't look like the ones on our cars.

I know of one process that can dupilcate them exactly, but before anyone asks, no I can't do them, nor do I know anyone with the equipment to make them at this time.

[burton73]

On my car if this works the State Of CA can kiss my ass.
I have 3 stamped places from the factory in metal in the car, the original deliver book and as I am a privet party and not a business and I have the pink slip, that is all the proof I need.

I now have an idea how to do it. I just need to call in a favor from someone that has a CNC MILL or a puncher that can do it. ( Thanks 914efi)
The act of making the sticker is not to mislead any one in this case. It is one thing to finish the door sticker for restoration. The State Of CA only needed two to transfer the pink. This car has always been in CA.

The three on the car plus the original deliver book is provenance that the car is the real one. It will be of 914WORLD record that 914-6 #41 will have a AA reproduction VIN sticker on the door.

Bob Burton

[Cap'n Krusty]

Whatever. IF they decide to f**k with you, it's your parade, not mine, that they'll be raining on ....................... None of your excuses will fly. The Cap'n

[ptravnic]

sodomy is illegal in some states too... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)


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[alpha434]

So's marriying your cousin. But I've got mine right here...!

[alpha434]

If it's just one sticker, then you can lay your original over it and do it by hand, or scan the original, and use it as a layup. Just take your time at it.

[burton73]

The original is long gone. This is a $30,000. Restoration of 914-6 #41 with wide body GT cooling, 2.5 ss no expense it too much (almost) when finished this car should look like it came off a used car lot with very low miles. Small details like this are very important to me.

Bob

[Johny Blackstain]

I would think that this issue has been raised in many a different discussions over time, & not just w/ 914s'. Any car undergoing a restoration may need a new vin sticker which leads me to believe that there have to be many options out there & just need to be researched (practicality & legality wise). I have a feeling this issue has a different set of regulations per state, as well as marque. Perhaps purchasing a blank from George & sending that off to Year One or someone like them to be stamped? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


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[GWN7]

XXXXXX,

I'm not laying low about the vin plates.

Like I said I do know of a process that can duplicate the vin plates, but I don't personally know of anyone who can do it for now.

If I could do it and it was legal to do (not sure if the manufacturing of a vin plate is illegal or if the act of placing it on the car would be considered the illegal act) I would first get a couple opinions from lawyers versed is criminal acts before proceeding and from several different parts of the country. Then there is the matter that even if it was legal here to manufacture them what are the laws in other areas?

Radar detectors are illegal in some parts of the country. Some places it's illegal to have one in a car. Yet the manufactures are not charged with producing a illegal item. Now they are probably a ltd. company is that the reason or is the onus placed on the person who owns the unit entirelly or is it that the use and ownership of radar detectors are not a legislated act that are required to be on the car like a vin plate.

Now the door plates are not the ownly means of determining the vin number on a car. There is the windshield plate and serial numbers in the front trunk. What would need to be determined is what were the requirements when the car was made and for each year it was made and what are the current federal laws and then the each states laws.

Say I made you a vin plate. Perfectly legal here (not known if it is at this time) and I sent it to you and you put it on your car. Somewhere down the road someone decided this was a illegal act and because I mailed it to you it would be a federal crime (might fall under federal laws because they are the ones that enact car standards- unknown) Then there are each states laws concerning this. What is legal in one area might not be in another. Worst case, I send you a new vin tag and I get arrested next time I cross the border.

So until I'm sure that won't happen it is not a project I will take on.

Bruce

P.S. I'll post this in the thread (without your name) so others know what's up


Edit- I need some too....making them without the vin is easy...anyone need a couple 100 and I'll get them done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[rick 918-S]

I would love to be the test case. I would love to see the fed's take me to task over a documented car. There is no way the intent of the law is to prohibit the replacement of a damaged sticker. If it was the only identifcation on the car I could see an issue. But this is a sticker not a stamping. I would have the press all over this if they spent one thin dime of my tax money on a frivelous issue like this.

The intent is to prevent vin. swapping or rebodying cars. Not replacing a missing or unreadable sticker with the cars original vin.

BTW: I cut the tags off my pillow come and get me.

Cap'n, sounds like you were being observed because there was an issue with a swapped vin. not a reproduction stick being replaced due to damage.

[TC.356]

The British car guys take a VERY different view of things,

http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/mg/0052.asp

(scroll down to the bottom two rows of plates and decals on the catalog page)

The parts suppliers and vendors sell the blank VIN plates and Auto Commission plates, and the tech sessions at the major meets include demonstrations on how to strike your VIN onto the plates using machinist's dies.

[Cap'n Krusty]

Cap'n, sounds like you were being observed because there was an issue with a swapped vin. not a reproduction stick being replaced due to damage.

True. However, I became pretty good friends with the Chippie who dealt with things like this. I recently had occasion to discuss the VIN sticker with his successor because the question was raised here (or at the club) and was informed that the CHP (at least) takes this VERY seriously, and would impound the car and otherwise inconvenience the person in possession of the car, and anyuone else involved until the issue was cleared up, and he didn't think it would be cleared up in the best interests of those persons. BTW, IME cars impounded in CA for VIN issues are generally destroyed. They don't get parted out, and cannot be retitled. All it takes is one CHP officer who is having a bad day, has issues with your attitude or demeanor, or has a hard on for CWs or Porsche owners in general.

That said, there is a procedure whereby the manufacturer can issue a new sticker and the dealer can affix it. The problem here appears to be that the stickers currently available are not the same as those originally affixed to the car in the 1970s, and the person asking the question is unwilling to use one. The Cap'n

[ptravnic]

I called George at AA and he says he has a great VIN sticker for the 914-6 just like this one saying made by Porsche

The problem here appears to be that the stickers currently available are not the same as those originally affixed to the car in the 1970s, and the person asking the question is unwilling to use one. The Cap'n

Maybe there's a miscommunication/misinformation? Is the "person asking the question" mistaken OR has he been mislead?

There seems to be some disconnect - "If the glove don't fit you must acquit...".

-pt