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how to figure shims 4 compression ratio, 2056 jug spacing |
orange914 |
Jul 2 2007, 12:26 AM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
i'll be putting together a 2056 soon. with jakes 9050 cam can i run d-jet and 9.0:1 on pump gas with no problem?
can i be pointed to a thread on this set up proceedure? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
ConeDodger |
Jul 2 2007, 12:56 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,612 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
Mike,
That information is on Jake's site under articles or tech articles... Deck height measurement should be the name of it. |
sean_v8_914 |
Jul 2 2007, 02:14 AM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
first ya gota CC your heads
here's teh tuna can compression calculator http://www.tunacan.net/t4/reference/engine-calc.xls |
Joe Ricard |
Jul 2 2007, 05:46 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Do the calculations and then order the shims you need.
http://users.erols.com/srweiss/calccr.htm |
blitZ |
Jul 2 2007, 06:21 AM
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Beer please... Group: Members Posts: 2,223 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 4,719 Region Association: South East States |
i'll be putting together a 2056 soon. with jakes 9050 cam can i run d-jet and 9.0:1 on pump gas with no problem? I have the same setup with the 9550 cam, assume that's the one you meant. It runs fine with 9:1 compression. I use 93 octane at Len's suggestion, he refurbished my heads. |
Joe Ricard |
Jul 2 2007, 07:50 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Well, great. Wonder how my motor will run with 10.4:1 compression on pump gas.
Big cam with lots of overlap and carbs should make it possible. Anyway let us know what kind of deck hieght you obtain. Make sure they are all even (better than .005) |
ptravnic |
Jul 2 2007, 10:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,231 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 747 Region Association: None |
i'll be putting together a 2056 soon. with jakes 9050 cam can i run d-jet and 9.0:1 on pump gas with no problem? can i be pointed to a thread on this set up proceedure? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This is a good example of why it is very important to take your time (which will be frustrating). Need the heads cc'd and deck height measured to determine which shims are needed to get the CR you desire. After this is sorted and the right shiims are in and the heads are torqued down, it'll be time to start learning about rocker arm geometry. 911 swivel feet adjusters, adjustable push rod, cut to fit push rod's... At first you (as I did) probably thought that once the parts arrive it's time to put it all together - maybe even in a day or a weekend BUT rarely does it happen that way. Enjoy the process! |
Joe Ricard |
Jul 2 2007, 12:16 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
That's why I decided to not take my car down till after Houston tour.
Now I have all summer to fiddle with my engine and car. Too freaking hot to race in the Summer. However I do get to race the broom every once inawhile. |
Brando |
Jul 2 2007, 02:43 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
55ccs on my 2.0 heads, case-to-cylinder mating surface just machined smooth, no shims my deck height came out to 0.03". Perfect for ~9.5:1 compression. Using 96mm P&Cs and Jake's 9550 cam. Also find out how many CCs if you've got domed or dished pistons.
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Joe Ricard |
Jul 2 2007, 03:07 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
So Brando you were able to get exactly .030 on all 4 cylinders?
Damn that's good. I was the same on each side, but varied .002 left side to right side. |
Brando |
Jul 2 2007, 03:14 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
I was amazed when I checked... I guess I got lucky for a Rimco rebuild LOL.
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Joe Ricard |
Jul 2 2007, 04:22 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
I suppose if you had the case decked you may very well came out with good numbers.
I had to swap rods and pistons and cylinders a few times to get mine. Nothin in mine is stock anymore. Ok the valve cover bails are stock. and the push rod tubes which will have to be shimmed. |
orange914 |
Jul 3 2007, 12:20 AM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
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orange914 |
Jul 3 2007, 12:23 AM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
first ya gota CC your heads here's teh tuna can compression calculator http://www.tunacan.net/t4/reference/engine-calc.xls these are 039 heads len did for a motor jake but didnt build. i'm sure he knows the cc, i'll be asking him as soon as i can get hold of him. thanks for the link |
orange914 |
Jul 3 2007, 12:24 AM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
i'll be putting together a 2056 soon. with jakes 9050 cam can i run d-jet and 9.0:1 on pump gas with no problem? I have the same setup with the 9550 cam, assume that's the one you meant. It runs fine with 9:1 compression. I use 93 octane at Len's suggestion, he refurbished my heads. are you running d-jet? any problems? |
orange914 |
Jul 3 2007, 12:28 AM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
i'll be putting together a 2056 soon. with jakes 9050 cam can i run d-jet and 9.0:1 on pump gas with no problem? can i be pointed to a thread on this set up proceedure? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This is a good example of why it is very important to take your time (which will be frustrating). Need the heads cc'd and deck height measured to determine which shims are needed to get the CR you desire. Enjoy the process! thanks, i wont rush the build. just learning alot and trying to acumulate the right parts. lots to do you now, hurry up -n- wait |
orange914 |
Jul 3 2007, 12:32 AM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
That's why I decided to not take my car down till after Houston tour. Now I have all summer to fiddle with my engine and car. Too freaking hot to race in the Summer. However I do get to race the broom every once inawhile. the 914 unfortunately dropped a valve at the worse timing. kenny's high school is having a big fund raiser car show on sept. 22nd AND my wife and i are a big part of pta making it happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
orange914 |
Jul 3 2007, 12:34 AM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
55ccs on my 2.0 heads, case-to-cylinder mating surface just machined smooth, no shims my deck height came out to 0.03". Perfect for ~9.5:1 compression. Using 96mm P&Cs and Jake's 9550 cam. Also find out how many CCs if you've got domed or dished pistons. same exact 2056 for me. i have flat top. are yours...? how does it run on i'm assuming 93 octane? carb.s? |
blitZ |
Jul 3 2007, 06:42 AM
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Beer please... Group: Members Posts: 2,223 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 4,719 Region Association: South East States |
i'll be putting together a 2056 soon. with jakes 9050 cam can i run d-jet and 9.0:1 on pump gas with no problem? I have the same setup with the 9550 cam, assume that's the one you meant. It runs fine with 9:1 compression. I use 93 octane at Len's suggestion, he refurbished my heads. are you running d-jet? any problems? Yes, running the original d-jet with no problems. You may need to tweak your MPS. I installed a CHT gauge, the heads stay fairly cool. |
ptravnic |
Jul 3 2007, 08:37 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,231 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 747 Region Association: None |
i'll be putting together a 2056 soon. with jakes 9050 cam can i run d-jet and 9.0:1 on pump gas with no problem? I have the same setup with the 9550 cam, assume that's the one you meant. It runs fine with 9:1 compression. I use 93 octane at Len's suggestion, he refurbished my heads. are you running d-jet? any problems? Yes, running the original d-jet with no problems. You may need to tweak your MPS. I installed a CHT gauge, the heads stay fairly cool. Original Djet based off the 1.7L stock system or 2.0L stock system? Coupla differences between the two (ie injectors). |
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