 914 market went dry!, Anyone notice? |
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| LowGT |
 Feb 22 2008, 09:39 PM
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1.8 and Proud!  Group: Members Posts: 583 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 4,904 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
For the past 2 years I would check out evilbay, 914 forums, etc.. for cars for sale. In the last week or so they have been dwindling.
Yesterday I check out ebay and there are 3 914s and the FS forums are mainly WTB threads. So, where did all the cars go? Makes me glad I found the one I did! |
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| Joe Bob |
Feb 22 2008, 09:41 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
914, the new 356.....
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| ConeDodger |
Feb 22 2008, 09:50 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,028 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California 
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QUOTE(356 @ Feb 22 2008, 07:41 PM)  914, the new 356..... The Z man is right. By 2015 or sooner a nice original 914-6 will sell for $100K plus. The 4 cylinder cars will climb to where the six and at least the conversion cars are selling... We are consuming parts at a fantastic rate off of marginal cars that are being scrapped. |
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| iamchappy |
Feb 22 2008, 10:28 PM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
Wait till Spring, they will come.
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| degreeoff |
Feb 22 2008, 10:38 PM
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I like big butts and I can not lie! Group: Members Posts: 1,622 Joined: 9-February 03 From: Booowieeee MD (near DC) Member No.: 275 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(iamchappy @ Feb 22 2008, 08:28 PM) Wait till Spring, they will come. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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| 914Sixer |
Feb 23 2008, 06:33 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,123 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Cars are becoming scarce in this part of the country. Any cars I am finding are in the out of the way places that you would least expect to find a Porsche. Texas and California are supossed to be the two largest strongholds.
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| TINCAN914 |
Feb 23 2008, 07:35 AM
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Summer's Commin... Group: Members Posts: 2,440 Joined: 18-August 05 From: Colorado Springs, CO. Member No.: 4,611 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Right now people are not spending money on hobbies. The market is dry on a number of non-essential things, before long they will be back.
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| slackin' at work |
Feb 23 2008, 07:38 AM
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i should be working Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 12-October 07 From: charlottesville, va Member No.: 8,215 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Feb 22 2008, 10:50 PM) QUOTE(356 @ Feb 22 2008, 07:41 PM) 914, the new 356..... The Z man is right. By 2015 or sooner a nice original 914-6 will sell for $100K plus. The 4 cylinder cars will climb to where the six and at least the conversion cars are selling... We are consuming parts at a fantastic rate off of marginal cars that are being scrapped. I *think* there is a bit of sarcasm in there but your comment has got me thinking. Ive been into aircooled vws for about 18 years. I witnessed the huge increase in demand of splitwindow bugs... and therefore a HUGE jump in market value. I fully restored a split in 1996 and and sold it for 8000 which was "up there" for the time. This past summer, I sold my unrestored (but rustfree) 51 split window ragtop for the price of a restored original /6. so in about 10 years they went from just a "cool-old-vw" to a must-have collector car. don't even get me started on the early vw busses (yikes!) I personally think the time of year is to blame for the OPs original comments on dried-up market... but can't help think there may also be other forces at work here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| computers4kids |
Feb 23 2008, 09:32 AM
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Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(LowGT @ Feb 22 2008, 07:39 PM) For the past 2 years I would check out evilbay, 914 forums, etc.. for cars for sale. So, where did all the cars go? Makes me glad I found the one I did! Looking for 914s on ebay may lead you to believe that 914s are becoming more rare to find...which maybe the case as 914sixer pointed out except in areas like CA and Texas. However...that is not the case if you are looking at the various craigslists across the country...especially in CA, WA, Arizona, and Texas. There isn't a day that goes by that at least 10 914s go up for sale pretty reasonably. It would be much cheaper for someone to buy a semi-restored 914 than to try to restore one themseleves. If I was smart, I would sell my 75 project car for parts that I have collected, and just go out there a buy a nice 914..of course, where's the fun in that. Even though 914s are being dismantled for parts at an alarming rate...you would think prices would be reasonable due to the flood of parts out there. Maybe it's just my persepective, but it seems part prices are going through the roof...that is for the decent stuff..not the crap. |
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| ConeDodger |
Feb 23 2008, 10:30 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,028 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(slackin' at work @ Feb 23 2008, 05:38 AM) QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Feb 22 2008, 10:50 PM) QUOTE(356 @ Feb 22 2008, 07:41 PM) 914, the new 356..... The Z man is right. By 2015 or sooner a nice original 914-6 will sell for $100K plus. The 4 cylinder cars will climb to where the six and at least the conversion cars are selling... We are consuming parts at a fantastic rate off of marginal cars that are being scrapped. I *think* there is a bit of sarcasm in there but your comment has got me thinking. Ive been into aircooled vws for about 18 years. I witnessed the huge increase in demand of splitwindow bugs... and therefore a HUGE jump in market value. I fully restored a split in 1996 and and sold it for 8000 which was "up there" for the time. This past summer, I sold my unrestored (but rustfree) 51 split window ragtop for the price of a restored original /6. so in about 10 years they went from just a "cool-old-vw" to a must-have collector car. don't even get me started on the early vw busses (yikes!) I personally think the time of year is to blame for the OPs original comments on dried-up market... but can't help think there may also be other forces at work here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Nope... No sarcasm. There are market forces at work, no doubt. The boats out of Long Beach are loaded with cars heading for Europe and Asia due to the weak dollar for one. Our economy has been decimated by the war costs for another. Cars that are less than the absolute top of the heap are not being sold because mid-level collectors are not buying anything right now. Much of what was the liquid cash asset driving the price and activity of mid-level collector car sales in the last 5 years was HELOC and that is so dry now the wind blows the dust around. Lets face it, there were only 100K+ of these cars made to begin with. Only 3K+ were 6 cylinders originally. Before the car was even "collectable" more than half that number was gone. Many of the rest were in need of parts so Darwin took down the marginal portion of the herd and still does. Speaking as a futurist I am saying that by 2015 a pristine original 914-6 will sell for 100K+... There is no sarcasm intended. Z is exactly right and that is not the first time I have heard him say it. |
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| orthobiz |
Feb 23 2008, 01:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,758 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Last year this time I was finalizing my 914 purchase (thanks TedK!!!!!) I saw Ted selling a pristine 1.8 liter on 914club.com, thought there'd be tons of others out there and I thought I would "hold out" for a 2.0 liter. A week or two later I was freaking out when I saw how few were available, eBay was totally hit or miss, etc. etc. etc. So I nabbed his, what a great decision that was.
But, when Spring came there were a ton more cars available. Wait a bit longer, the winter drought will not last forever. Heck, my car is tucked away in a pressurized bubble and I haven't seen it in weeks! Unfortunately, I paid so much for mine that I singlehandedly spurred the price inflation you've all noticed in the past year. And it was worth EVERY penny! But now is a good time to grab one if you don't already have one! Paul |
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| porschecb |
Feb 23 2008, 01:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,092 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Las Vegas NV Member No.: 2,529 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(LowGT @ Feb 22 2008, 07:39 PM) For the past 2 years I would check out evilbay, 914 forums, etc.. for cars for sale. In the last week or so they have been dwindling. Yesterday I check out ebay and there are 3 914s and the FS forums are mainly WTB threads. So, where did all the cars go? Makes me glad I found the one I did! You might be right! Mine was stolen and they did not want to keep it! Got it back 6 days later. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| Rav914 |
Feb 23 2008, 02:06 PM
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All-weather fan Group: Members Posts: 740 Joined: 15-April 07 From: WA Member No.: 7,669 Region Association: None |
I think all of the previous posts are correct. Increasing value and it just being the winter months.
If you're looking for a car, I bet putting out a "wanted" ad might yield more fruit. I'm trying to convice my father-in-law to search for and buy a /6 for the previous reasons. He wants a Porsche and not lose $. I see these as the next 69-73 911S. As for Europe, that will slow down. If you've been reading the Wall Street Journal, their economy is following us pretty closely. In fact their debt:earings percentage is worse than ours. I too am glad I found a nice one when I did! |
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| grantsfo |
Feb 23 2008, 02:37 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
I think 914-4 will likely maintain current valuations or decline over the next 5 years. This is a real buyers market now and I'm just waiting for a sub $10K Boxster. I dont think 914 will ever be in same league as 356 from a valuation perspective. Perhaps pristine 914-6 might pull in $50K eventually. 914-4's are probably closer to VW bug or 924 in terms of collectability. Only thing that is propping up P car valuations now is the fact that our currency has lost so much value against all other currencies and bargin hunters are plucking cars out of the US. I guess if enough 914's left our country that prices could go up, but I suspect 914 isnt on top of the list for buyers in Europe. |
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| Rav914 |
Feb 23 2008, 02:43 PM
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All-weather fan Group: Members Posts: 740 Joined: 15-April 07 From: WA Member No.: 7,669 Region Association: None |
In today's WSJ.
Luxury cars sales DOWN comparing Jan'07 to Jan'08: Jaguar - 52% BMW - 27% Ferrari - 22% Porsche - 13% Land Rover - 17% |
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| grantsfo |
Feb 23 2008, 02:53 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
Skyrocketing number of repossessions are whats fueling some of the downward pressure on valuations.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-0...-repo-man_N.htm |
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| jesiv |
Feb 23 2008, 07:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
I agree now is a good time to buy a 914-6. Anyone have one for sell? PM me if you do!
Regards, James |
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| So.Cal.914 |
Feb 23 2008, 07:52 PM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
It's all the saws-all parties...
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| Ferg |
Feb 23 2008, 07:57 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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I think this is the worst time of the year to sell a car period.
Right before taxes are due, Xmas and travel bills may still be in some households mix... The only thing I have noticed is a lack of Quality cars. The 914's that I have sales figures on in the last six months have gone nowhere but up still. I think come April and May, things will turn around again. Ferg (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Allan |
Feb 23 2008, 08:04 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(Ferg @ Feb 23 2008, 05:57 PM) I think this is the worst time of the year to sell a car period. Right before taxes are due, Xmas and travel bills may still be in some households mix... Ferg (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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