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> touched a few pieces of 914 history today!, #4 and beyond
SirAndy
post Feb 14 2004, 04:57 PM
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we had a little #4 "tech-session" today hosted by Carl ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) thanks for the coffee)

the amount of "different" and "prototype" is incredible.
some took pictures (not me, so you're going to be lucky) ...

even got my hands on one of the 4 copies of the original 914-8 owners manual (for Ferry Porsche's 914-006).
what a interesting piece of literature !

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ChrisReale
post Feb 14 2004, 05:40 PM
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Its a trip isn't it? There are many subtile differences. Carl has a few other toys hidden there as well.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Feb 14 2004, 05:50 PM
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Ah, I was wondering if it were kosher to talk about that trip here.

Is it OK to post the pics? (I probably won't be able to DL them until next week, and very possibly not then either!!)

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post Feb 14 2004, 05:55 PM
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Secret 914 meetings?!?! I thought #4 was in Socal? Let's see the pictures!!!

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post Feb 14 2004, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Feb 14 2004, 03:50 PM)
Is it OK to post the pics?

dunno, ask Big B. ...
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Brad Roberts
post Feb 14 2004, 07:21 PM
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No pics. We can chat about it until we are blue in the face.

Also.. no numbers. We say 004 and that is all that needs to be known right now until we nail down some more info.

Thanks to all those who attended today. I loved history classes and this one topped them all.


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post Feb 14 2004, 07:59 PM
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No pics? OK, you's the boss-man! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Very very kewl stuff, though! Just coming up with a list of what is unique to that car would take a reaaaaaally long time.

The parts that really get me are the ones that would have made for a better production car. The front turn signals look better IMHO, and that center deposit thing on top of the center tunnel would be totally sweet!

Some of the details are very odd--the way it was set up for sway bars, but none were installed. The stiffening ribs in the floor pans being different from the production ones. The bump in the rear trunk floor. (For what??? Some Sporto part?) The real differences in the door jambs...

Sigh!! I really wish I had Das Grosse Buch so I could look through it for pics of similar parts!!

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post Feb 14 2004, 08:02 PM
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I liked my idea at lunch about having Andy translate the book for us (or one of his Indian people).

The car is crazy.


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post Feb 14 2004, 08:06 PM
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The 912 came with everything needed for sway bars and none installed. They even made a little cover peices for the holes.

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post Feb 14 2004, 08:08 PM
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Which is exactly what I told them.. this car has the exact same front sway bar covers as your car (both cars are 1969 era)


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post Feb 14 2004, 08:17 PM
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Ahh Cool!! My 912 and the 004 share some of the same peices.

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post Feb 14 2004, 09:27 PM
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I'm thrilled for you B, that thing's in the right hands!
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post Feb 14 2004, 11:52 PM
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OK, no pics then. Darn. I got some good ones, too. We'll have to wait until there's a little more understanding of the history of the car. At least we got a few possibilities about the color and why the car was built the way it was.

For the benefit of others in the area who may be interested, we deliberately kept this study session quiet until Brad feels comfortable in sharing the info.

Thanks to those who participated. It was interesting and educational. Thanks for coming.

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post Feb 15 2004, 12:07 AM
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Sorry I missed it.

What about that comment regarding your other toys in that space Carl?
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post Feb 15 2004, 12:11 AM
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hey gang, speaking of color, could that be it?

#1211C (stock 911 color)


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post Feb 15 2004, 12:29 AM
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Andy,
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hey gang, speaking of color, could that be it?


It's Grape, I think.


Hi Mike,
I think Chris was being generous. There's nothing exotic. Just a few hobby toys that belong to members of my family.

Carl
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post Feb 15 2004, 12:34 AM
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Including that Benz with quad flame-throwers.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

(Carl's brother has a Benz there that didn't want to start. But it did want to spit flames out the intakes. For quite a while...)

Aaahndy, the color in that pic looks pretty close!!

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post Feb 15 2004, 10:03 AM
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Man what a great time -- thank's Carl for setting it up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) and it was great to meet Paul as well! (It would be very cool to drag him out to other 914 events -- he might get a kick out of our quirky club -- and I know anyone talking to him will likely pick up something new about our cars and Pcars in general)

Anyway, great history lesson, the 914/8 manual was very cool to see -- I can see why it didn't take off tho -- I couldn't understand any of it except the numbers. Ah well, I only look at those books for the pictures anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The hand made portions of the car were the most interesting -- the factory guys were still playing with ideas, particularly in the rear trunk and dashboard areas. Watching Andy decode the car from "stem to stern" was fun too.

Oh, and the rear trunk lock didn't work, so we had to find a way into it. Carl's bother manufactured a 4 foot extension out of a bar, which we slipped in from the engine compartment after loosening the hinge bolts. (yeh, we meet Carl's brother and his dad stopped by as well, and Meridith stopped in too) Scott got the loosening job on the oil tank side which was much more tedious. I stood around and drank most of the coffee (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif) .

At one point we practiced the correct pronouniation of "Meuller". Heh. (Hi mike (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif))

All in all, an intere$ting project will take place one day, and tracking the progress will be interesting for everyone.

It was a great morning Carl/Brad -- thx!

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post Feb 15 2004, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(Britain Smith @ Feb 14 2004, 06:17 PM)
Ahh Cool!! My 912 and the 004 share some of the same peices.

-Britain

There were other early 911 parts -- the machinery for opening the front trunk is apparently an early 911 piece, so it may look similar as well.

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post Feb 15 2004, 10:12 AM
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Thanks again Brad and Carl for inviting us to peer into the past, what a privilege. A very memorable time with a fantastic car...We are all a bunch of kooks... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I came home and looked at The Big Buch for a few minutes last night. Four has characteristics that look more developed than the red Piech car, and yet not as refined as Ferrys platinum silver car. I think that the car will fall in between the two.

What a great privilege to meet Paul Lang as well. I hope we can meet him again in the near future and talk P-cars. Hey maybe we can invite him to breakfast sometime as a featured guest?
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