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> 914 EV discussion, Who's doing or done an electric 914?
Joe Bob
post Feb 21 2008, 09:23 PM
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http://www.electroauto.com/gallery/vp914.shtml
http://electric914.wordpress.com/
http://www.evcl.com/914/

Electro Automotive has a kit for 14K...yikes.....
Otmar seems to be REAL busy building components.....

I'm thinkng of doing one for my twins..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I have two years to get it done.....
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post Feb 22 2008, 08:44 AM
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I'm restoring a '76 914 intending to convert it to electric. I've been kicking around the AC/DC question while I'm welding and have come to the decision that DC is the only way to go. AC is more efficient than DC but only slightly so. You do get regenerative braking with AC but again the gains are not that great (like 10%). There is really only one anywhere near affordable AC system for the 914 and that's the one used by ElectroAutomotive AC kit. Unfortunately it delivers about half the horsepower of the 914 gas engine and the car weighs about twice as much after the conversion. You are supposed to get more range with an AC system but with amount of electricity used quotes I've seen I'm doubtful. With DC you have more options, horsepower, and torque. You can match or exceed the horsepower and torque of the original engine. I'm looking at a Zilla controller (from Otmar) and a WarP motor right now as the best options. As far as lead acid batteries go, yes they are heavy and they don't last forever (2-3 years) but they are the best we have right now and they can be used to make an electric car with decent performance and range. All the other options are just too expensive right now. As far as costs go, the parts are expensive but will last (except for the batteries) pretty much forever. The motors for instance (with brushes replaced) will go a million miles. Once you get past the price of the conversion parts the actual cost of batteries and electricity I work out to be less than $3/gallon gas.
If you have any question or want to discuss this further, I'd be glad to.

P.S. That avatar is going to be hard to look at alot dude.
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post Feb 22 2008, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(pjf @ Feb 22 2008, 08:44 AM) *
Unfortunately it delivers about half the horsepower of the 914 gas engine and the car weighs about twice as much after the conversion.


The horsepower ratings on electric motors are continuous. The ratings on gas engines are peak HP.

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356   914 EV discussion   Feb 21 2008, 09:23 PM
356   http://www.kta-ev.com/catalog/index.html This see...   Feb 21 2008, 09:46 PM
smontanaro   Lots of people have done 914 EVs. Here are some l...   Feb 21 2008, 10:11 PM
banger   It all depends what you are looking to get from a ...   Feb 22 2008, 03:05 AM
racunniff   Lots of people have done 914 EVs. Here are some ...   Feb 22 2008, 04:43 AM
pjf   I'm restoring a '76 914 intending to conve...   Feb 22 2008, 08:44 AM
banger   You may want to look the the ford ranger ev motor ...   Feb 22 2008, 09:23 AM
smontanaro   You may want to look the the ford ranger ev motor...   Feb 22 2008, 09:47 AM
banger   The inverter is just a siemens Simovert, which can...   Feb 22 2008, 10:04 AM
smontanaro   Unfortunately it delivers about half the horsepowe...   Feb 22 2008, 09:48 AM
356   The Auto Electric "kit" claims 100-150 m...   Feb 22 2008, 09:58 AM
neo914-6   The Auto Electric "kit" claims 100-150 ...   Feb 25 2008, 03:31 PM
356   The Auto Electric "kit" claims 100-150...   Feb 25 2008, 03:48 PM
pjf   I have to respectfully disagree with Banger's ...   Feb 22 2008, 10:47 AM
356   I have to respectfully disagree with Banger's...   Feb 22 2008, 03:09 PM
banger   The 2 types of chargers are either Conductive - A...   Feb 22 2008, 07:33 PM
banger   The price on Trojan T-105 batteries are around ...   Feb 22 2008, 07:23 PM
pjf   Looking over my last post I realized I messed up t...   Feb 22 2008, 11:15 AM
smontanaro   The horsepower rating for an electric motor is als...   Feb 22 2008, 12:20 PM
356   Further.....are NiMH or Li batteries available in ...   Feb 22 2008, 03:11 PM
geniusanthony   I too have been kicking this idea around lately. M...   Feb 22 2008, 04:15 PM
neo914-6   You really need a higher no cost goal to go electr...   Feb 22 2008, 05:36 PM
Zundfolge   I wouldn't be interested in an electric 914 un...   Feb 22 2008, 07:00 PM
banger   The 914 could be converted into "Tesla" ...   Feb 22 2008, 07:27 PM
geniusanthony   Wait for the first A-List star to wrap his around ...   Feb 22 2008, 07:24 PM
PThompson509   I'm one of the "idiots" doing the co...   Feb 23 2008, 12:51 AM
banger   I am sure that you probably could get 150 miles on...   Feb 23 2008, 04:30 AM
356   And those batteries are available where????? AND....   Feb 23 2008, 09:50 AM
Mike914   And those batteries are available where????? AND...   Feb 23 2008, 10:53 AM
356   I'm an instant gratification type of guy....I ...   Feb 23 2008, 01:29 PM
banger   The BB600 nicad cells are often available governme...   Feb 23 2008, 02:30 PM
smontanaro   There are a few other vendors out there you might ...   Feb 23 2008, 02:30 PM
pjf   356, to answer your question about the parts I...   Feb 23 2008, 03:24 PM
pjf   About the clutch and shifting, all the 914 convers...   Feb 23 2008, 03:30 PM
pjf   You also asked about my charging plans. I plan o...   Feb 23 2008, 03:41 PM
pjf   I also double checked my estimate for the cost per...   Feb 23 2008, 04:11 PM
banger   Just be careful with your calculations. 550 cycle...   Feb 24 2008, 12:50 AM
356   I signed up for the EVDL discussion list....hope i...   Feb 23 2008, 07:50 PM
banger   Otmars car is built for acceleration, which is why...   Feb 24 2008, 12:24 AM
r_towle   I signed up for the EVDL discussion list....hope ...   Mar 5 2008, 02:41 PM
daveyboybadion   I too have been toying with the idea of an electri...   Feb 23 2008, 08:41 PM
banger   There are other options as well, if you are just l...   Feb 24 2008, 12:05 AM
pjf   There is no substitution for real-world experience...   Feb 24 2008, 07:52 AM
banger   Initially they start out a little low on capacity,...   Feb 26 2008, 03:13 PM
356   E85 needs a dedicated engine designed for that fue...   Feb 24 2008, 08:34 AM
banger   E85 is ethanol, which is a little easier to handle...   Feb 26 2008, 03:22 PM
356   http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dl...ctid=...   Feb 26 2008, 08:01 PM
Eric_Shea   :idea: Wilderness is here in Lehi (no Z... you can...   Feb 26 2008, 08:27 PM
356   Looking into what they sell...Wilderness will get ...   Feb 26 2008, 08:36 PM
pjf   Wilderness does have a low price but if you want p...   Feb 27 2008, 07:37 PM
356   Does WarP provide the adapter plate?   Feb 27 2008, 08:46 PM
pjf   No, you have to get it somewhere else but the WarP...   Feb 27 2008, 09:16 PM
356   Sure.... My email is 356@cox.net I've been cr...   Feb 27 2008, 10:16 PM
pjf   I sent you an email with the link for the adaptor ...   Feb 28 2008, 04:29 PM
356   Thanks for the email....you must be getting good p...   Feb 28 2008, 05:10 PM
ChrisNPDrider   9" DC motor, >140 volts, remove that big 1...   Feb 28 2008, 07:24 PM
356   144 volts and 12volt batteries don't look to b...   Feb 28 2008, 07:33 PM
neo914-6   144 volts and 12volt batteries don't look to ...   Feb 29 2008, 09:03 AM
pjf   What can I tell you? When I saw $150 each f...   Feb 28 2008, 08:27 PM
banger   When buying batteries, you must keep in mind that ...   Feb 29 2008, 07:41 AM
sean_v8_914   bump   Mar 5 2008, 01:24 PM
356   Put down the crack pipe and answer my last email o...   Mar 5 2008, 02:44 PM
r_towle   never got one...send it again... just got the COA....   Mar 5 2008, 03:01 PM
neo914-6   Mike, Maybe you can buy a converted car and trans...   Mar 5 2008, 09:06 PM
356   never got one...send it again... just got the COA...   Mar 5 2008, 09:28 PM
356   Mike, Maybe you can buy a converted car and tran...   Mar 5 2008, 09:29 PM
buck toenges   What about capacitors with batteries? Read someth...   Mar 11 2008, 09:19 AM
swl   What about capacitors with batteries? Read somet...   Mar 11 2008, 11:32 AM
smontanaro   Where I'm a little skeptical is in a capacitor...   Mar 11 2008, 08:31 PM
swl   too cool skip. 10,000 fold improvement would do t...   Mar 12 2008, 08:29 PM
shelby/914   Just sold a tub to a guy in Aurora for an electric...   Mar 12 2008, 08:47 PM
Beanie Boy   Well the current 914 is too nice to convert...gonn...   Mar 12 2008, 10:08 PM


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