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> Hey Redshift?? WTF?, "Pelican Parts Boycott: in progress."
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post Dec 21 2003, 02:39 PM
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post Dec 23 2003, 03:56 PM
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I like how this thread has turned into a general forum for political commentary. Alright, I'll bite (or comment on a few things that I've read)..

Redshift: The use of the term "Moslem Terrorist" is not racist, but terribly inappropriate for very specific historical and cultural reasons. I can back this up, let me know if you care for me to explain.

Hawktel: For that matter, the term "Moslem Fundamentalist" is also an inappropriate term, since the words Fundamentalist and Fundamentalism come from a very specific _Protestant_ history that American/European's are familiar with; because of this, it's easy for us to tack on the word Fundamentalist. Since the Islamic religion, Muslim society, and Middle Eastern politics have not branched from "our" Protestant history, it's inapproprite and incorrect to use a Protestant word to identify Islamic people. I can explain more if you care to hear.

Brad: Do you recognize the fact that your choice to not vote essentially gives you no reason whatsoever to bitch? Funded by money or not, the politicians in this country are still elected through votes. Dollars may pay for votes, but those politicians still need people to enter the actual booth and punch the actual card. By not voting, you've, in a way, endorsed every politician and given every one that's in office their seat. Our government system functions on the idea that one person can't make a difference whatsoever, but the collective people can.. the system was designed from the very beginning to function like this. Your decision to not vote, like so many others in the country, is what makes the system not work like we want it to.

Alfred was a dick.. there's a difference between free-speech and harassment. He crossed the line, he's not with us. That's all I have to say.

On third parties: unfortunately, third-parties screw everything up in our system. Because of the way that we hold elections, third parties will always take votes away from the two candidates who are most alike.. in the last election, Nader took many votes away from Gore but very few from Bush. Bush won the election, but the overall popular sentiment across the country leaned a lot more to the left. A competitive third party candidate will always take votes away from the Republicans if conservative, or the Democrats if liberal. Makes you wonder why one of the two major parties doesn't fund a third party candidate that will take votes away from the opposing major party, haha. Now France has got it right in my opinion. They hold two major elections.. the first one is amongst all of the candidates, here the citizens can vote for anyone that they'd like (their ideological choice, if you will).. the top two candidates then have a 'runoff' final election (this is where the citizens can make their 'practical' choice). I don't like how our political system, with two major parties which ultimately run two very moderate candidates, almost force people to make the decision about 'the lesser of two evils', not their true ideological preference.

KaptKaos: I am vehemently opposed to vouchers, but don't have the energy to fight the good fight on that one..

And finally Red: if the boys over at PP actually cut a thread post that was anti-American/anti-Bush, I'll be more than happy to join your boycott.
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Lawrence   Hey Redshift?? WTF?   Dec 21 2003, 02:39 PM
seanery   they have an off-topic board that from what I hear...   Dec 21 2003, 02:41 PM
Lawrence   That's almost enough to make me go back there,...   Dec 21 2003, 02:43 PM
SirAndy   <...   Dec 21 2003, 05:09 PM
Brad Roberts   We should have a special font Andy. I hate b...   Dec 21 2003, 05:12 PM
Bleyseng   Thats cuz the Republicans are more closed minded a...   Dec 21 2003, 05:24 PM
swood   I've edited my response several times now and ...   Dec 21 2003, 05:27 PM
swood   Nothing wrong with being narrow minded. I believe...   Dec 21 2003, 05:32 PM
stock93   I still say theres something wrong with being able...   Dec 21 2003, 05:33 PM
SirAndy   <...   Dec 21 2003, 05:44 PM
Eddie Williams   ...   Dec 21 2003, 06:04 PM
SirAndy   see, we can have our own "mud wrestling" party ......   Dec 21 2003, 06:07 PM
stock93   Just for clarity, that was aimed at politics in ge...   Dec 21 2003, 06:07 PM
Bleyseng   I don't know about the rest of the country, bu...   Dec 21 2003, 06:37 PM
tmp914   The US is based on a capitalist society so the ric...   Dec 21 2003, 06:45 PM
SirAndy     Dec 21 2003, 06:47 PM
Eddie Williams   There have always been and will always be homeless...   Dec 21 2003, 06:59 PM
redshift   No man, fucking guy called me a racist for the ter...   Dec 21 2003, 08:53 PM
tracks914   Off topic a bit but I liked it. I heard a good one...   Dec 21 2003, 09:04 PM
redshift   It's all one guy from LA, and people from othe...   Dec 21 2003, 09:16 PM
!   Well I guess a blow job and a warm shower at midni...   Dec 21 2003, 09:53 PM
redshift   :lol: :blink: Yep. M   Dec 21 2003, 09:59 PM
Brad Roberts   Man.. I love you guy's. Everyone has a differe...   Dec 21 2003, 10:22 PM
Qarl  
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redshift   I am fully for freedom of speech, if we disagree, ...   Dec 21 2003, 10:38 PM
Brad Roberts   Question: Why is Alfred still on Rennlist ?? How ...   Dec 21 2003, 10:39 PM
Aaron Cox   hmmm.....he's a racist. and on pelican. go fig...   Dec 21 2003, 10:43 PM
redshift   heh Irony is not lost on this young man. :trophy...   Dec 21 2003, 10:49 PM
GWN7   Because he has never posted any of his "enlighting...   Dec 21 2003, 10:50 PM
Aaron Cox   yeah...i feel like a winner cuz i got to listen to...   Dec 21 2003, 10:55 PM
seanery   Cops is on CourtTV right now and it's about a ...   Dec 21 2003, 11:08 PM
Aaron Cox   HEH...i watched my white trash neighbor get arrest...   Dec 21 2003, 11:13 PM
jimtab   <...   Dec 22 2003, 12:05 AM
swood   THis one's for you M.   Dec 22 2003, 12:06 AM
redshift   You guys on the Rep/Dem fight are playing the wron...   Dec 22 2003, 12:11 AM
redshift   lol Now, if we could just have a friendly fire oo...   Dec 22 2003, 12:13 AM
Scott Carlberg   I think it's actually spelled this way.... :...   Dec 22 2003, 01:09 AM
redshift   Yeah, but it used to be spelled :shoot2kill: Mos...   Dec 22 2003, 01:14 AM
Mockmaw   Resisting.. the.. temptation.. to.. argue.. back. ...   Dec 22 2003, 03:17 AM
Curvie Roadlover   <...   Dec 22 2003, 04:23 AM
Steve Thacker   ...   Dec 22 2003, 07:25 AM
rhodyguy   until miles added his note re the ot forum i wasn...   Dec 22 2003, 08:44 AM
redshift   I am totally for people speaking their mind... com...   Dec 22 2003, 09:23 AM
Queenie   <...   Dec 22 2003, 09:43 AM
fuch toy   Humor usually helps in threads such as these/those...   Dec 22 2003, 09:53 AM
ArtechnikA     Dec 22 2003, 01:05 PM
jimtab     Dec 22 2003, 02:26 PM
jimtab  
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rhodyguy   joe, my wife is teacher in a private school. you...   Dec 22 2003, 03:24 PM
Hawktel   Politics. I just vote for the guy who looks like...   Dec 22 2003, 03:46 PM
bongo monkey   Well, if Alfred was harrassing people, then he...   Dec 22 2003, 03:55 PM
URY914   Andy, That was a pretty decent discription of the ...   Dec 22 2003, 04:07 PM
SirAndy     Dec 22 2003, 05:57 PM
Lawrence   Uhhhh, I was just curious about the "boycott". -R...   Dec 22 2003, 06:14 PM
redshift   I went to private schools all my life, save first ...   Dec 22 2003, 06:25 PM
Aaron Cox   preach it brother miles! LOL.... ;)   Dec 22 2003, 06:53 PM
URY914   Sorry Andy, It was KaptKaos. Paul   Dec 22 2003, 07:00 PM
URY914   Go Miles, get it out... Let the demons out, Brothe...   Dec 22 2003, 07:02 PM
Bleyseng   Maybe Miles should run for office somewhere.......   Dec 22 2003, 08:42 PM
redshift   If nominated, I will not run, elected, I will not ...   Dec 22 2003, 09:12 PM
redshift   Come on fellas, I was kidding about not running fo...   Dec 22 2003, 09:33 PM
ArtechnikA   ...   Dec 22 2003, 09:37 PM
swood   ...   Dec 22 2003, 10:28 PM
trojanhorsepower   I think the root of this thread is Miles being ups...   Dec 22 2003, 11:23 PM
redshift   Ahh Got ya buddy... context.. it was pure context,...   Dec 23 2003, 12:23 AM
SirAndy   ...   Dec 23 2003, 12:49 AM
Mockmaw   I like how this thread has turned into a general f...   Dec 23 2003, 03:56 PM
Eddie Williams   I'm a conservative Libertarian. I also am anti...   Dec 23 2003, 05:37 PM
Hawktel  
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!   OK let's toss in the Crusades, the Spanish Inq...   Dec 23 2003, 07:18 PM
Bleyseng   Nah, you got it all wrong for Eastern Europe Zois....   Dec 23 2003, 09:31 PM
drew365  
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drew365   I see Harry didn't last long. And we didn...   Dec 23 2003, 10:50 PM
seanery   nope.   Dec 23 2003, 10:50 PM
redshift   When I found out what he said in those deleted pos...   Dec 23 2003, 10:54 PM
!   ...   Dec 23 2003, 11:26 PM
Bleyseng   Hey, I thought you were Greek! Gonna finally ...   Dec 23 2003, 11:50 PM
Eddie Williams   ...   Dec 24 2003, 03:35 AM
redshift   Eddie, come on man.. we can laugh at that. We can...   Dec 24 2003, 09:45 AM
fuch toy   ...   Dec 24 2003, 10:15 AM
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