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> CHP gives cliff a smog ticket for his teener
Chris Hamilton
post May 17 2008, 12:11 AM
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Has a 2.0 with webers. Sounds like some kind of fixit ticket. Do 1971 teeners have to smog? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) How would a six ever smog since those came with carbs too?

Do we have any california law experts here to explain this?
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post May 19 2008, 08:57 AM
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I just gave that link a good speed read and it appears that pertains to the removal of a device like a cat or an air pump. This is my spin. If the car doesn't have a "pollution control device" to remove, there is no violation. I would call injection a "pollution control device" It's a fuel delivery system.

First the car is exempt for a reason. Most 1971 model cars wouldn't pass the basic standards for emissions set forth for their year of manufacture 37 years after they were made. It's an unreasonable expectation. Obsolecence has taken many of these cars off the road and more are expiring every year. Like all the 70's model daily drivers, more doors, old undesirable work trucks, 70's imports like the Toyota's and honda's with their complicated air delivery emissions with 30 vacum hoses.

Second, parts to run the FI are starting to become NLA and wear is causing these controls to fall out of spec. It would be reasonable to change the fuel delivery system to one that will still allow the use of the vehicle.

Third, all cars fall out of tune from time to time. Tune the car up and bring the part slips to court. Show a good faith effort to correct the problem the officer noticed and remind the judge that the car is "pre-emissions equipted" The ticket that was issued doesn't apply, and based on the year is exempt from smog.

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post May 19 2008, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(rick 918-S @ May 19 2008, 06:57 AM) *

I just gave that link a good speed read and it appears that pertains to the removal of a device like a cat or an air pump. This is my spin. If the car doesn't have a "pollution control device" to remove, there is no violation. I would call injection a "pollution control device" It's a fuel delivery system.

First the car is exempt for a reason. Most 1971 model cars wouldn't pass the basic standards for emissions set forth for their year of manufacture 37 years after they were made. It's an unreasonable expectation. Obsolecence has taken many of these cars off the road and more are expiring every year. Like all the 70's model daily drivers, more doors, old undesirable work trucks, 70's imports like the Toyota's and honda's with their complicated air delivery emissions with 30 vacum hoses.

Second, parts to run the FI are starting to become NLA and wear is causing these controls to fall out of spec. It would be reasonable to change the fuel delivery system to one that will still allow the use of the vehicle.

Third, all cars fall out of tune from time to time. Tune the car up and bring the part slips to court. Show a good faith effort to correct the problem the officer noticed and remind the judge that the car is "pre-emissions equipted" The ticket that was issued doesn't apply, and based on the year is exempt from smog.

Beatable! CHP was messin with ya. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jerkit.gif)

the state doesn't care if the stuff is NLA or not. If it was an FI car at birth, then it is till supposed to be an FI car. and in CA the early cars did have stuff that was considered smog related. various parts of the FI on type IVs were there for smog.
blow by recirculation, cold start valves, hot start valves all had something to do with not only driveability but also emissions.
Even my stock motored 1967 Bug had a smog device or two, and when we still had to have it smogged, those pieces had to be there.
Remember California was requiring smog equipment on cars before the rest of the nation was, back in '66 and '67.
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post May 20 2008, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ May 19 2008, 10:09 AM) *

QUOTE(rick 918-S @ May 19 2008, 06:57 AM) *

I just gave that link a good speed read and it appears that pertains to the removal of a device like a cat or an air pump. This is my spin. If the car doesn't have a "pollution control device" to remove, there is no violation. I would call injection a "pollution control device" It's a fuel delivery system.

First the car is exempt for a reason. Most 1971 model cars wouldn't pass the basic standards for emissions set forth for their year of manufacture 37 years after they were made. It's an unreasonable expectation. Obsolecence has taken many of these cars off the road and more are expiring every year. Like all the 70's model daily drivers, more doors, old undesirable work trucks, 70's imports like the Toyota's and honda's with their complicated air delivery emissions with 30 vacum hoses.

Second, parts to run the FI are starting to become NLA and wear is causing these controls to fall out of spec. It would be reasonable to change the fuel delivery system to one that will still allow the use of the vehicle.

Third, all cars fall out of tune from time to time. Tune the car up and bring the part slips to court. Show a good faith effort to correct the problem the officer noticed and remind the judge that the car is "pre-emissions equipted" The ticket that was issued doesn't apply, and based on the year is exempt from smog.

Beatable! CHP was messin with ya. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jerkit.gif)

the state doesn't care if the stuff is NLA or not. If it was an FI car at birth, then it is till supposed to be an FI car. and in CA the early cars did have stuff that was considered smog related. various parts of the FI on type IVs were there for smog.
blow by recirculation, cold start valves, hot start valves all had something to do with not only driveability but also emissions.
Even my stock motored 1967 Bug had a smog device or two, and when we still had to have it smogged, those pieces had to be there.
Remember California was requiring smog equipment on cars before the rest of the nation was, back in '66 and '67.



The ONLY smog equipment on your '67 bug was the closed crankcase system, which consisted of a rubber boot at the bottom of the road draft tube. This started for ALL cars in 1965 or '66. The Cap'n
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Chris Hamilton   CHP gives cliff a smog ticket for his teener   May 17 2008, 12:11 AM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   has nothing specifically about the carbs, it is ab...   May 17 2008, 12:38 AM
Chris Hamilton   Got pulled over for having an old car with a crapp...   May 17 2008, 12:44 AM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   if they can not pass a smog test, visual and actua...   May 17 2008, 12:48 AM
!Wet Spot!   I'd like to see the CVC or other code it was w...   May 17 2008, 01:08 AM
ericread   Any bets he asked the driver if he could have a lo...   May 17 2008, 02:36 AM
Gint   If the car blew the slightest bit of visible smoke...   May 17 2008, 07:24 AM
rick 918-S   If the car blew the slightest bit of visible smok...   May 17 2008, 08:11 AM
Chris Hamilton   Is there some way for those of us here that have i...   May 17 2008, 08:12 AM
396   Is there some way for those of us here that have ...   May 17 2008, 08:29 AM
grantsfo   Is there some way for those of us here that have ...   May 18 2008, 02:22 PM
!Wet Spot!   For an excessive smoke violation or visible emissi...   May 17 2008, 08:14 AM
rick 918-S   I'm not from the gold coast, but I would think...   May 17 2008, 08:16 AM
So.Cal.914   How many of you have left your wallet at home and ...   May 17 2008, 09:36 AM
biosurfer1   I know police officer's are supposed to enforc...   May 17 2008, 10:26 AM
Wes V   Time for a diatribe and state some facts about smo...   May 17 2008, 11:12 AM
r_towle   Time for a diatribe and state some facts about sm...   May 17 2008, 11:35 AM
So.Cal.914   Time for a diatribe and state some facts about s...   May 17 2008, 12:17 PM
!Wet Spot!   Back in the day, I got yanked over by some rookie ...   May 17 2008, 10:43 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   All 914/4s have at least some smog equipment. See...   May 17 2008, 11:47 AM
Cap'n Krusty   A slight clarification: The smog rule is that the...   May 17 2008, 12:46 PM
Wes V   You can put a '32 Ford engine in your '72...   May 17 2008, 02:12 PM
Cap'n Krusty   You can put a '32 Ford engine in your '7...   May 17 2008, 03:13 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Huh? The factory emission label above the relay...   May 17 2008, 03:12 PM
Marty Yeoman   ....It seems hard to believe that the same car wo...   May 17 2008, 03:24 PM
!Wet Spot!   ....It seems hard to believe that the same car w...   May 17 2008, 05:09 PM
SirAndy   A slight clarification: The smog rule is that th...   May 17 2008, 03:17 PM
drew365   a lot of us are gambling that no one will ever p...   May 18 2008, 11:00 AM
orange914   A slight clarification: The smog rule is that th...   May 18 2008, 11:45 PM
!Wet Spot!   Unless you can get it dismissed by the guys Superv...   May 17 2008, 12:52 PM
Elliot Cannon   I know someone (a close friend) who has a 1973 914...   May 17 2008, 01:33 PM
Cap'n Krusty   In general, the CHP has nothing to do with smog en...   May 17 2008, 01:57 PM
sww914   The ricers have been dealing with this stuff for y...   May 17 2008, 02:20 PM
Wes V   Another thing the cops like ticketing on the Honda...   May 17 2008, 02:29 PM
Brando   Reading through most of the situation here, this i...   May 17 2008, 05:33 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   ...a stock 1974 (1974 model year car, 1975 ship/l...   May 17 2008, 09:27 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   OK, so the answer to the question is this. I was p...   May 17 2008, 06:43 PM
Chris Hamilton   OK, so the answer to the question is this. I was ...   May 17 2008, 07:08 PM
brer   should have said it was a diesel. :D   May 17 2008, 07:01 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   like stated above. just because it doesn't ha...   May 17 2008, 08:08 PM
ConeDodger   I would bet the next step in the process for this ...   May 17 2008, 08:23 PM
!Wet Spot!   A smoke ticket is NOT a reasonable cause for a smo...   May 17 2008, 09:12 PM
brer   this is what you say. I'm sorry officer but ...   May 17 2008, 10:04 PM
computers4kids   this is what you say. I'm sorry officer but...   May 18 2008, 12:10 AM
Cap'n Krusty   To stop the speculation, you might want to tell us...   May 17 2008, 10:45 PM
!Wet Spot!   To stop the speculation, you might want to tell u...   May 17 2008, 11:13 PM
rick 918-S   To stop the speculation, you might want to tell ...   May 17 2008, 11:31 PM
Chris Hamilton   I'll find out as soon as he gets home. Thanks.   May 17 2008, 11:06 PM
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!Wet Spot!   Interesting to see if the BAR would actually inspe...   May 18 2008, 08:31 AM
Chris Hamilton   Grant, the V8 doesn't have any parts that came...   May 18 2008, 08:48 PM
CliffBraun   Just wanted to pop my head in and say hi, nothing ...   May 18 2008, 09:24 PM
JimSar   I've got a '75 that's all electric; no...   May 19 2008, 12:40 AM
swl   Jim, I've been thinking about that through the...   May 19 2008, 07:02 AM
ClayPerrine   This :stromberg: is why I am HAPPY that I don...   May 19 2008, 08:22 AM
rick 918-S   I just gave that link a good speed read and it app...   May 19 2008, 08:57 AM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   I just gave that link a good speed read and it ap...   May 19 2008, 11:09 AM
ericread   the state doesn't care if the stuff is NLA or...   May 19 2008, 11:23 AM
Cap'n Krusty   I just gave that link a good speed read and it a...   May 20 2008, 01:19 AM
Chris Hamilton   Grant, lets see that video!   May 19 2008, 10:59 AM
Wes V   I think this string got way off topic (but covered...   May 19 2008, 11:29 AM
grantsfo   Grant, lets see that video! Sorry its not th...   May 19 2008, 11:28 PM
Chris Hamilton   Grant, lets see that video! Sorry its not t...   May 19 2008, 11:41 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   what has or hasn't been changed on his car is ...   May 19 2008, 12:15 PM
SirAndy   the car also has a HUGE whale tale on it, lots of...   May 19 2008, 01:00 PM
Chris Hamilton   [quote name='Dan (Almaden Valley)' post='...   May 19 2008, 01:28 PM
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!Wet Spot!   An electric car when re-registered after conversio...   May 19 2008, 12:35 PM
Chris Hamilton   The ticket says he was written up under VC 27156, ...   May 19 2008, 12:42 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   exactly Chris....   May 19 2008, 12:51 PM
SLITS   27156. (a) No person shall operate or leave stand...   May 19 2008, 01:11 PM
!Wet Spot!   Plenty of exemptions to that standard.....I have a...   May 19 2008, 01:19 PM
!Wet Spot!   Or "free donuts".....   May 19 2008, 01:41 PM
Wes V   Now why would the cop think the engine may be modi...   May 19 2008, 01:55 PM
rick 918-S   Can anyone tell me what "polution control dev...   May 19 2008, 02:28 PM
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dw914er   technically, i am in the crack of the smog law. I ...   May 20 2008, 12:13 AM
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