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> Which would you choose?, Subie w/325 hp or 2.8 massive IV with 225 hp
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post Jun 28 2008, 09:59 PM
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Okay I have come to a point where I am in a delima. I have a '73 2.0 car with the appearance group package that has had all 911 suspension upgrades and I will also be adding GT flares. I was originally going to put a 2.8 IV in it with about 225 horses but now am considering a subie engine putting out about 325 horses or more. I have always been a purist but there is something to be said for smoking the competion through the curves and also being able to dust the muscle cars down the highways. I can get into the 2.8 for around 7000.00 for motor and tranny minus installation. I can get into the subie for about 4800.00 minus installation.

What are the thoughts and opinions out there along with the pros and cons for each. All input would be greatly appreciated.



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post Jun 30 2008, 07:24 AM
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I would love to see Jake start putting some RnD into the early 911 motors.


Nope.. Thats no fun at all.

When I chose to move forward with engine development, my engine of choice was the Boxster/996 and 997. They are unknown, have tons of issues and offer the challenges needed to keep me from getting bored.

Here is my cross post from this thread on the "other" site
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The 2.8 TIV will cost more than 7K. The engine KIT to assemble it with is around 7K, but that doesn't include induction, 2K+ for exhaust or the ignition system. This engine and its support package is a 12-13K expenditure, doing it any cheaper would mean cutting corners.

The Subie engine will compromise the car. It takes the 914 character away and when the radiator is installed its just another Fiero, or maybe a Boxster.. If you are going to do all that and spend all that, just sell the 914 to someone who will keep it as Porsche intended without irreversible changes made and then just buy a Boxster. You can get 325HP with our Boxster Turbo kit and some cool upgrades...

Most of my customers never even consider doing a water cooled conversion. They are hardcore aircooled and will spend the extra money initially to keep their car aircooled. Its your car and your choice...

As the 914 gains value, yours will not.. BUT if you don't plan on selling it and don't care about getting dissed by people at Porsche or VW events go ahead and bolt that rice burner in!

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Raby makes good motors, but you can build a cheaper version, that is just as good

I beg to differ. Plenty of people have that mis-conception and end up learning that they were incorrect. This usually occurs about the time that they have spent more money than my kit and still have components colliding with each other inside the engine. About then they realize that they should have bought the kit.

That happens dozens of times per year.

Others can sell you some parts, but they can't parallel my engine design or the R&D that has been expended to create these designs. They also can't parallel our support during assembly and most importantly they can't sell you LE heads and RAT components.

There are many ways to make a TIV bigger and faster, but only one way to make it MassIVe.
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hot_shoe914   Which would you choose?   Jun 28 2008, 09:59 PM
auerbach   Jake -- hands down   Jun 28 2008, 10:02 PM
orange914   if i had it to do over i'd definately go with ...   Jun 28 2008, 10:06 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Well, I think it really depends on you really. I w...   Jun 28 2008, 10:23 PM
r_towle   Serious question. How old are you? I have found t...   Jun 28 2008, 10:30 PM
orange914   I would think you could do a six for less than 1...   Jun 28 2008, 11:18 PM
JRust   Since I have gone to the dark side with my current...   Jun 28 2008, 11:17 PM
TC 914-8   Well, My opinion Having a 400 hp V8 now, and Havin...   Jun 28 2008, 11:29 PM
Todd Enlund   When I got my car, I wanted to do a Subie. You ha...   Jun 28 2008, 11:48 PM
Chuck   When I got my car, I wanted to do a Subie. You h...   Jul 3 2008, 12:52 PM
dw914er   what subie motor are you doing? a newer wrx motor...   Jun 29 2008, 01:57 AM
URY914   If you go with Jake's engine you get a new mot...   Jun 29 2008, 07:10 AM
Vacca Rabite   This is so much personal choice. For my car, I bu...   Jun 29 2008, 07:20 AM
Paul Illick   You can get a 220 hp 2.8 from Jake for seven grand...   Jun 29 2008, 08:11 AM
dw914er   You can get a 220 hp 2.8 from Jake for seven gran...   Jun 30 2008, 02:58 AM
zymurgist   Can you get a 325 hp Subaru that won't require...   Jun 29 2008, 08:27 AM
turboman808   Thats a tough one. I personally would prefer to h...   Jun 29 2008, 08:52 AM
james2   Wow, i remember getting in a big flame war over pu...   Jun 29 2008, 10:13 AM
rhodyguy   there's something to be said of the sound the ...   Jun 29 2008, 11:53 AM
WLD419   Wow! tough decision , which ever one you chose...   Jun 29 2008, 02:03 PM
hot_shoe914   First off I want to thank everybody for their inpu...   Jun 30 2008, 02:40 AM
Jake Raby   Nope.. Thats no fun at all. When I chose to mo...   Jun 30 2008, 07:24 AM
r_towle   Nope.. Thats no fun at all. When I chose to m...   Jun 30 2008, 08:59 AM
Paul Illick   The 2.8 TIV will cost more than 7K. The engine KI...   Jun 30 2008, 10:55 AM
ericread   As an older guy, I really prefer a 914 that is as ...   Jun 30 2008, 10:43 AM
TeenerTim   The only water in a 914 should be in the window wa...   Jun 30 2008, 11:58 AM
dw914er   Jake, I was refering to Steve (i think his profile...   Jun 30 2008, 12:39 PM
SirAndy   Which would you choose? Subie w/325 hp or 2.8 mas...   Jun 30 2008, 01:23 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Which would you choose? Subie w/325 hp or 2.8 ma...   Jun 30 2008, 02:22 PM
Jake Raby   those may be fast cars that have well built engine...   Jun 30 2008, 01:24 PM
zymurgist   those may be fast cars that have well built engin...   Jun 30 2008, 02:18 PM
Jake Raby   those may be fast cars that have well built engi...   Jun 30 2008, 08:29 PM
toon1   I was is this posistion also. Not for the reason o...   Jun 30 2008, 01:56 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I was is this posistion also. Not for the reason ...   Jun 30 2008, 02:20 PM
toon1   I was is this posistion also. Not for the reason...   Jun 30 2008, 05:55 PM
zymurgist   Why did Porsche start putting WC engines in their...   Jul 2 2008, 06:22 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   more horse power. They felt they could create more...   Jun 30 2008, 06:24 PM
dw914er   more horse power. They felt they could create mor...   Jun 30 2008, 07:16 PM
Todd Enlund   more horse power. They felt they could create mor...   Jun 30 2008, 09:34 PM
toon1   more horse power. They felt they could create mor...   Jun 30 2008, 08:03 PM
Jake Raby   Aviation engines operate in cooler ambient temps.....   Jun 30 2008, 09:40 PM
turboman808   Never had a problem with overheating. :confused:   Jun 30 2008, 10:25 PM
Jake Raby   And the heads were hotter because of the restricti...   Jul 2 2008, 12:05 PM
james2   " it's hell being right all the time,...   Jul 2 2008, 12:16 PM
Zundfolge   Seems to me if you plan on doing any racing, a Rab...   Jul 2 2008, 12:57 PM
grantsfo   I think you will find that a 3.2 or 3.6 liter six ...   Jul 2 2008, 01:29 PM
ericread   I think you will find that a 3.2 or 3.6 liter six...   Jul 2 2008, 03:03 PM
Jake Raby   I'd bet that if YOU knew ANYTHING about them...   Jul 2 2008, 03:04 PM
Zundfolge   Honestly I don't understand the Type IV hate. ...   Jul 2 2008, 04:49 PM
Jake Raby   Imagine that.. And of course, Grant will always...   Jul 2 2008, 04:53 PM
james2   You have not arrived until you get your own person...   Jul 2 2008, 05:42 PM
rtalich   You have not arrived until you get your own perso...   Jul 2 2008, 06:10 PM
grantsfo   Hmmm seems to me that someone thinks they are only...   Jul 2 2008, 06:38 PM
Jake Raby   Hmmm seems to me that someone thinks they are onl...   Jul 2 2008, 08:15 PM
grantsfo   I wonder why he chose a 4 cylinder?? Oh well,...   Jul 2 2008, 09:54 PM
LarryR   I still think a 2056 T4, Porsche six or a subie ...   Jul 2 2008, 10:19 PM
SirAndy   ... I really think that there is a point where if...   Jul 3 2008, 03:29 PM
Chris Hamilton   Hmmm seems to me that someone thinks they are onl...   Jul 2 2008, 08:29 PM
james2   That's the way i look at, the government is bu...   Jul 2 2008, 08:57 PM
Jake Raby   Thats why we have been referring to our engines f...   Jul 2 2008, 09:08 PM
Jake Raby   OK, looks like Grant has taken his Prozac and all ...   Jul 2 2008, 10:04 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :popcorn: Gonna have to agree with Grant on this o...   Jul 2 2008, 10:10 PM
Jake Raby   I agree that above the 220 HP level "other...   Jul 2 2008, 10:38 PM
LarryR   I agree that above the 220 HP level "other...   Jul 2 2008, 10:55 PM
michaelt55   I figured I'd chime in as a person who has own...   Jul 2 2008, 10:52 PM
Jake Raby   Mike, thanks for the post.. The Boxster and 996 e...   Jul 2 2008, 10:56 PM
CliffBraun   Best choice of all for a 914-4 owner that plans s...   Jul 3 2008, 03:21 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Best choice of all for a 914-4 owner that plans ...   Jul 3 2008, 04:14 AM
LarryR   Just one PS, your response to Chris' comment ...   Jul 3 2008, 08:55 AM
grantsfo   I'd be happy to give more details about wha...   Jul 3 2008, 09:31 AM
Chris Hamilton   Yes please more details! I know we have som...   Jul 3 2008, 10:59 AM
james2   Have you had good luck with the rabbit rods? I k...   Jul 3 2008, 11:34 AM
grantsfo   Yes please more details! I know we have so...   Jul 3 2008, 02:52 PM
Chris Hamilton   What will you guys do for heads? Anything speci...   Jul 3 2008, 05:46 PM
grantsfo   What will you guys do for heads? Anything spec...   Jul 3 2008, 09:43 PM
Chris Hamilton   That would be cool! I would defintely like ...   Jul 3 2008, 10:04 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I also think that we need to give a lot of credit...   Jul 4 2008, 01:33 AM
michaelt55   Best choice of all for a 914-4 owner that plans ...   Jul 3 2008, 03:43 PM
Jake Raby   Cliffbraun, If I were you I'd get a few more t...   Jul 3 2008, 08:57 AM
Jake Raby   Nothing wrong with Rabbit rods at all... Some of t...   Jul 3 2008, 01:09 PM
Jake Raby   Creating an 8,000 RPM 2 liter is a lot easier tha...   Jul 3 2008, 03:41 PM
J P Stein   The Boxster & 996 engines are history. Porsche...   Jul 3 2008, 07:12 PM
jd74914   Cliff, lets hear some more about the Paulter rodde...   Jul 3 2008, 07:33 PM
Chris Hamilton   Cliff, lets hear some more about the Paulter rodd...   Jul 3 2008, 08:45 PM
Paul Illick   IMHO dyno charts are better than words. Speculat...   Jul 3 2008, 09:04 PM
grantsfo   I have an idea! Instead of a Subi or a Raby g...   Jul 3 2008, 10:00 PM
Spoke   Back to the original question: Big 4 or Subi; It d...   Jul 4 2008, 07:18 AM
Paul Illick   If you want as much HP as possible AND you like t...   Jul 4 2008, 09:01 AM
jimkelly   all i can say is that we are very lucky to be able...   Jul 4 2008, 09:39 AM
Paul Illick   Never mentioned is the sound of a V8 car. People ...   Jul 4 2008, 10:36 AM
Chris Hamilton   Never mentioned is the sound of a V8 car. People...   Jul 4 2008, 05:13 PM
jimkelly   the sound - absolutley - just last week i used my ...   Jul 4 2008, 11:21 AM
grantsfo   Sixes are pretty sweet sounding too. http://www.y...   Jul 4 2008, 11:36 AM
jimkelly   i doubt anyone disagrees with you that six-es soun...   Jul 4 2008, 01:23 PM


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