Which would you choose?, Subie w/325 hp or 2.8 massive IV with 225 hp Options

[hot_shoe914]

Okay I have come to a point where I am in a delima. I have a '73 2.0 car with the appearance group package that has had all 911 suspension upgrades and I will also be adding GT flares. I was originally going to put a 2.8 IV in it with about 225 horses but now am considering a subie engine putting out about 325 horses or more. I have always been a purist but there is something to be said for smoking the competion through the curves and also being able to dust the muscle cars down the highways. I can get into the 2.8 for around 7000.00 for motor and tranny minus installation. I can get into the subie for about 4800.00 minus installation.

What are the thoughts and opinions out there along with the pros and cons for each. All input would be greatly appreciated.



Donald

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[Jake Raby]

those may be fast cars that have well built engines, but unless it has a RAT serial number is can't be MassIVe... Lots of knockoffs have spawned as the evolution of my program has gone to the more advanced levels.

[zymurgist]

those may be fast cars that have well built engines, but unless it has a RAT serial number is can't be MassIVe... Lots of knockoffs have spawned as the evolution of my program has gone to the more advanced levels.

Does that apply only engines that you assemble, or also to the kits you sell for people to assemble themselves? I seem to recall one of your posts stating that a customer could save a lot of money by assembling one of your kits rather than paying for your time to assemble the engine.

[Jake Raby]

those may be fast cars that have well built engines, but unless it has a RAT serial number is can't be MassIVe... Lots of knockoffs have spawned as the evolution of my program has gone to the more advanced levels.

Does that apply only engines that you assemble, or also to the kits you sell for people to assemble themselves? I seem to recall one of your posts stating that a customer could save a lot of money by assembling one of your kits rather than paying for your time to assemble the engine.

My Turn Key engine program and my engine kit program share none of the same characteristics.. The engines built in the shop as "Turn Key" units are not based from our kit.

The kit engines are 2-3 years behind the development of their turn key counterparts as we use the experiences gathered from the design, testing and effectiveness of the base engines used in turn key customers cars to create the engine kits... Thats why it takes 2-3 years to chose the easiest to assemble, most effective base engines for the foundation of that "kit" engine.

Today in my Turn Key engine shop we are taking orders for twin plug TIV engines, roller cam and lifter equipped engines and even engines with forced induction that also use both the roller cam and twin plug technology all rolled into one package. I refer to these engines as "MassIVe Generation II".

The engine kit program was updated in January 2008 and will not change till mid year, 2010. These kits are derived from the turn key engines of the 2005-2007 era and use that technology and those engine combinations. This makes it simple to create an engine that we can forecast tuning for as well as know what it will attain for power, MPG and longevity.

These kits are easy to assemble engines that we can assist you in creating step by step. This can be done with only a 119 piece tool set by someone with ZERO previous experience! We actually prefer that kit assemblers have no prior experience and bad habits! Those are always the best builds.

The engine kit program is so far advanced that we now have assembly tool kits that can be purchased cheaply and used for engine assembly... Thats how well the program is refined.

If you base an engine off of one of my kits, it will be MassIVe, but it will always be a kit that you assembled yourself. The only way to make a TIV MassIVe is with one of my kits, or a complete engine package... Anything else is just a "Big 4".