Which would you choose?, Subie w/325 hp or 2.8 massive IV with 225 hp Options

[hot_shoe914]

Okay I have come to a point where I am in a delima. I have a '73 2.0 car with the appearance group package that has had all 911 suspension upgrades and I will also be adding GT flares. I was originally going to put a 2.8 IV in it with about 225 horses but now am considering a subie engine putting out about 325 horses or more. I have always been a purist but there is something to be said for smoking the competion through the curves and also being able to dust the muscle cars down the highways. I can get into the 2.8 for around 7000.00 for motor and tranny minus installation. I can get into the subie for about 4800.00 minus installation.

What are the thoughts and opinions out there along with the pros and cons for each. All input would be greatly appreciated.



Donald

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[grantsfo]

Hmmm seems to me that someone thinks they are only builder of "Big T4's". Sorry but I cant control your inflated ego. I wasn't referring to you Jake. Re-read my post if you like. No mention of you or Massive T4 's at all. Actually if I was inclined to build a big T4 you would be on the short list. Dude take a chill pill!

I own a T4 motor and I'm working on a project as we speak. I just dont think big bore T4's are cost effective or a viable motor for regular use when compared to many of the well proven alternatives. Plain and simple no emotion, no T4 or Jake hate. Get over it.

My opinions on big T4's have been confirmed by years of practical experience around these motors at the street and on the track. I was running big bore T4's in my 71 VW Bus when I was in high school in the 1970's Jake, Were you even born yet? Yes you have done tons to improve these motors with lots of help from great suppliers, but a reliable 2.8 T4 budget motor isnt what this person wants.

I dont hate these motors - I just see someone who wants 200 plus HP on a budget who wants some objective input. A Massive T4 is not the solution plain and simple.

[Chris Hamilton]

Hmmm seems to me that someone thinks they are only builder of "Big T4's". Sorry but I cant control your inflated ego. I wasn't referring to you Jake. Re-read my post if you like. No mention of you or Massive T4 's at all. Actually if I was inclined to build a big T4 you would be on the short list. Dude take a chill pill!

I own a T4 motor and I'm working on a project as we speak. I just dont think big bore T4's are cost effective or a viable motor for regular use when compared to many of the well proven alternatives. Plain and simple no emotion, no T4 or Jake hate. Get over it.

My opinions on big T4's have been confirmed by years of practical experience around these motors at the street and on the track. I was running big bore T4's in my 71 VW Bus when I was in high school in the 1970's Jake, Were you even born yet? Yes you have done tons to improve these motors with lots of help from great suppliers, but a reliable 2.8 T4 budget motor isnt what this person wants.

I dont hate these motors - I just see someone who wants 200 plus HP on a budget who wants some objective input. A Massive T4 is not the solution plain and simple.

I think the real question comes when you ask, when is it still a type IV, and when is it something else?

How much less originality is present with a chopped up and modified to hell engine, versus just replacing it with something else similar? Where do you draw the line?

Do I still have a type IV when I've cut large amounts out of the case to fit my huge cylinders? How about if I weld up the heads to move the exhaust ports? What if I replace the heads entirely with aftermarket ones?

If you follow this road to it's logical conclusion, you end up at http://www.pauter.com, making over 900 horsepower for drag racing 4-cylinder cars.

Their shit is expensive, but it's only money right? You'll always make more.