Which would you choose?, Subie w/325 hp or 2.8 massive IV with 225 hp Options

[hot_shoe914]

Okay I have come to a point where I am in a delima. I have a '73 2.0 car with the appearance group package that has had all 911 suspension upgrades and I will also be adding GT flares. I was originally going to put a 2.8 IV in it with about 225 horses but now am considering a subie engine putting out about 325 horses or more. I have always been a purist but there is something to be said for smoking the competion through the curves and also being able to dust the muscle cars down the highways. I can get into the 2.8 for around 7000.00 for motor and tranny minus installation. I can get into the subie for about 4800.00 minus installation.

What are the thoughts and opinions out there along with the pros and cons for each. All input would be greatly appreciated.



Donald

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[grantsfo]

Hmmm seems to me that someone thinks they are only builder of "Big T4's". Sorry but I cant control your inflated ego. I wasn't referring to you Jake. Re-read my post if you like. No mention of you or Massive T4 's at all. Actually if I was inclined to build a big T4 you would be on the short list. Dude take a chill pill!

I own a T4 motor and I'm working on a project as we speak. I just dont think big bore T4's are cost effective or a viable motor for regular use when compared to many of the well proven alternatives. Plain and simple no emotion, no T4 or Jake hate. Get over it.

My opinions on big T4's have been confirmed by years of practical experience around these motors at the street and on the track. I was running big bore T4's in my 71 VW Bus when I was in high school in the 1970's Jake, Were you even born yet? Yes you have done tons to improve these motors with lots of help from great suppliers, but a reliable 2.8 T4 budget motor isnt what this person wants.

I dont hate these motors - I just see someone who wants 200 plus HP on a budget who wants some objective input. A Massive T4 is not the solution plain and simple.

[Jake Raby]

Hmmm seems to me that someone thinks they are only builder of "Big T4's". Sorry but I cant control your inflated ego. I wasn't referring to you Jake. Re-read my post if you like. No mention of you or Massive T4 's at all. Actually if I was inclined to build a big T4 you would be on the short list. Dude take a chill pill!

I own a T4 motor and I'm working on a project as we speak. I just dont think big bore T4's are cost effective or a viable motor for regular use when compared to many of the well proven alternatives. Plain and simple no emotion, no T4 or Jake hate. Get over it.

My opinions on big T4's have been confirmed by years of practical experience around these motors at the street and on the track. I was running big bore T4's in my 71 VW Bus when I was in high school in the 1970's Jake, Were you even born yet? Yes you have done tons to improve these motors with lots of help from great suppliers, but a reliable 2.8 T4 budget motor isnt what this person wants.

I dont hate these motors - I just see someone who wants 200 plus HP on a budget who wants some objective input. A Massive T4 is not the solution plain and simple.

Are you in politics? If you aren't perhaps you should be.

Gotta go. Gotta go work on a twin plug engine for a 550 Spyder.. It belongs to Herbie Blash

http://www.xserve2.com/gpe/cref-blaher.htm
Since December 1995 he has acted as the FIA's Deputy Race Director at all Grands Prix.

I wonder why he chose a 4 cylinder??
Oh well, he must be just another one of those brainwashed kool-aid drinking dumb asses.. I wonder why he chose a "Barnyard Bandit" to create the engine for him?? Looks like one of those FIA wrenchs could have handled his "VW Motor".

Instead it'll be getting shipped across the Atlantic.

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I wonder why he chose a 4 cylinder??
Oh well, he must be just another one of those brainwashed kool-aid drinking dumb asses.. I wonder why he chose a "Barnyard Bandit" to create the engine for him??

Jake my "Barnyard Bandit" comment wasnt directed at you at all. Again youre injecting your ego into the thread uneccessarily. My Barnyard bandit comment was directed at somone who is selling a $7000 2.8 T4. WTF dude? Too much caffine today?

You now damn well there is no way somone has built a 2.8 T4 turn key that will hold together for any period of time? I'm sure you could buld one but we'd be talking $20K plus for a 2.8 Raby turn key that could compete with a 300 HP subie right?

I will also add that it is irresponsible to direct somone new to T4's to a mega big bore motor. Jake, You yourself told me that most of the motor failures you have seen have been from people not realizing they have lean setup etc. Why not startout wih a less expensive starter motor to make sure he gets everything right? He has stated he is on a budget.

I still think a 2056 T4, Porsche six or a subie are better options. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

[LarryR]

I still think a 2056 T4, Porsche six or a subie are better options. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

I think that a lot of people get hung up on displacement and HP. I have done it many times (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif). I think the 2270 is really a sweet spot (IMHO they seem to realy fly)

However, if I was going to drop big coin it would be for a porsche 6.

I really think that there is a point where if you need say 300 hp you should just buy a 3.6 porsche engine. You can find 964 engines for somewhere around 6.5K if you take your time and you get to benefit from great resale with a 3.6 combo. 993 engines from 8000-12000 (non turbo). My 3.6 can still scare the crap out of me even after almost 3 years.

The 2270 provides plenty of power though and would provide all the reliability you need.

Just my 2 cents.

[SirAndy]

... I really think that there is a point where if you need say 300 hp you should just buy a 3.6 porsche engine ... 993 engines from 8000-12000 (non turbo) ... My 3.6 can still scare the crap out of me even after almost 3 years ...

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