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> Camshaft recommendation for PMO'd 2.4S ?
amallagh
post Jul 16 2008, 05:13 PM
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I've recently converted my 914-6 to a 2.4S spec engine with PMO 40 carbs.

The engine/heads are standard S spec but with 2.2S pistons giving about 9.3:1 compression rather and the std 8.5:1.

Can any one recommend a specific cam profile/supplier that is optimised for use on carbs with an S spec engine ?
If the std S cams from an MFI engine are considered to the the best for this application then I would be happy to hear your experiences.
I'm looking for a fast road cam to give me similar performance to the std S cams on MFI. The car is used on the road as well as for competition, so I need something smoothy and tractible at low RPM.

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post Jul 17 2008, 04:16 PM
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I think "Solex" was coined from the very ealy 911 engines cam spec that first used the Solex Carbs. The actual cam spec is somewhere between a "S" and a "E" grind. Someone can chime in if there is more to this.

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QUOTE(Phoenix-MN @ Jul 17 2008, 06:16 PM) *

I think "Solex" was coined from the very ealy 911 engines cam spec that first used the Solex Carbs.
That is correct. The Solex (carbs) were spec'd for the original 2,0 911 (no-letters). The letters showed up around the time Porsche used the Webers to cure some driveability issues they eventually identified but the switch had been made. The Webers - originally made for an Alfa V6 (which is why the intake manifolds have slanty end-runners...) - gave improved tunability options and helped kneecap the T models so the top-of-the-line S was always faster (despite the T being lots lighter).

You really need all the numbers in any discussion of 911 camshafts, by which is meant Anderson's 911 Handboox and Frère's "911 Story" that have all the lift, duration, and lobe center data. Steve Weiner's Rennwerk site and WebCam's site also are great repositories of real data.

One thing to be aware of when comparing cam profiles - Porsche specifies timing at 0,1mm (near 'nuff 0.040"). The US 'standard' for cam timing is 0.050" so you need to read the small numbers and compare apples and oranges...

here's some cam data, copied by hand from WebCam, which I'm sure has already been posted to multiple threads by now...

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Cam   intake        exhaust        lobe ctr
911T   216º .387" 207º .345    105º
911E   230º .408  222º .393      NA
911S   264º .450  236º .400    101º
Solex  244º .439  234º .406      97º
906    282º .465  252º .406      95º


the 906 kinda represents the "ultimate" small-bore 911 cam and didn't really start making power until 8000 rpm when used with 46mm Webers (and later MFI).

I can tell you from personal experience that E cams are very nice in a carbureted engine (BTDT).
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amallagh   Camshaft recommendation for PMO'd 2.4S ?   Jul 16 2008, 05:13 PM
brant   Andrew, have you driven an S cam MFI vehicle? if...   Jul 16 2008, 05:28 PM
ArtechnikA   ...so if you need something more tractable, then ...   Jul 17 2008, 06:52 AM
J P Stein   Solex or E cams are the cat's ass for a street...   Jul 16 2008, 06:01 PM
396   Solex or E cams are the cat's ass for a stree...   Jul 16 2008, 07:29 PM
scotty b   +1 for Solex :driving: S is great once you hit 6...   Jul 16 2008, 08:14 PM
Phoenix-MN   :agree: B)-->
QUOTE(scotty b ...   Jul 16 2008, 08:19 PM
Root_Werks   :agree: B)--><div class='quotetop...   Jul 24 2008, 11:21 AM
amallagh   Excuse my ignorance but what exactly in a Solex gr...   Jul 17 2008, 03:01 PM
Phoenix-MN   I think "Solex" was coined from the very...   Jul 17 2008, 04:16 PM
ArtechnikA   I think "Solex" was coined from the ver...   Jul 17 2008, 06:27 PM
amallagh   Great info, thankyou. So is the Solex cam specifi...   Jul 17 2008, 07:02 PM
ArtechnikA   So is the Solex cam specifically optimised for us...   Jul 17 2008, 07:39 PM
J P Stein   The big "problem" with S cams is duratio...   Jul 17 2008, 07:31 PM
ArtechnikA   MFI delivers fuel below the butterflies and has t...   Jul 17 2008, 07:46 PM
J P Stein   Tho I can't prove it, I suspect the MFI, S com...   Jul 17 2008, 08:38 PM
scotty b   Tho I can't prove it, I suspect the MFI, S co...   Jul 17 2008, 08:43 PM
ArtechnikA   Tho I can't prove it, I suspect the MFI, S co...   Jul 17 2008, 09:51 PM
brant   You've opened a big mystery box now there are ...   Jul 17 2008, 08:42 PM
ArtechnikA   by the way, you can get GE grinds for 3 bearing s...   Jul 17 2008, 10:01 PM
brant   did we ever establish if those are available for ...   Jul 17 2008, 10:09 PM
ArtechnikA   I know they exist I wish I knew you were looking ...   Jul 17 2008, 11:47 PM
amallagh   So if I glean some of the different opinions expre...   Jul 18 2008, 03:23 AM
ArtechnikA   If the Solex cam is ideal for a PMO set up with S...   Jul 18 2008, 05:32 AM
J P Stein   Like most of these old parts (or old style), findi...   Jul 18 2008, 07:29 AM
ArtechnikA   I forget exactly where I got these....no matter, ...   Jul 18 2008, 10:13 AM
J P Stein   The "ideal" cams for carbs would be the ...   Jul 18 2008, 07:49 AM
J P Stein   40s...sorry about the lousy pic. :D   Jul 18 2008, 05:01 PM
ArtechnikA   40s...sorry about the lousy pic. Actually it...   Jul 18 2008, 05:14 PM
TimT   Amallagh, I have a set of WebCam 158R grind cams,...   Jul 18 2008, 07:29 PM
amallagh   Amallagh, I have a set of WebCam 158R grind cams...   Jul 23 2008, 04:30 PM
6freak   Amallagh, I have a set of WebCam 158R grind cam...   Jul 24 2008, 10:42 AM
TimT   I forgot to add, I have dyno plots somwhere of t...   Jul 18 2008, 07:38 PM
J P Stein   Hay, Tim, that is a good buy.   Jul 18 2008, 09:20 PM
6freak   Hay, Tim, that is a good buy. Sent the man a P...   Jul 23 2008, 09:47 AM
sixnotfour   the cam card is listed on the website, looked at i...   Jul 24 2008, 10:48 AM
amallagh   the cam card is listed on the website, looked at ...   Jul 24 2008, 01:29 PM
J P Stein   Solex & S cams have the same 97 deg lobe cent...   Jul 24 2008, 07:06 PM


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