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| amallagh |
Jul 16 2008, 05:13 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Cheshire, England Member No.: 6,767 |
I've recently converted my 914-6 to a 2.4S spec engine with PMO 40 carbs.
The engine/heads are standard S spec but with 2.2S pistons giving about 9.3:1 compression rather and the std 8.5:1. Can any one recommend a specific cam profile/supplier that is optimised for use on carbs with an S spec engine ? If the std S cams from an MFI engine are considered to the the best for this application then I would be happy to hear your experiences. I'm looking for a fast road cam to give me similar performance to the std S cams on MFI. The car is used on the road as well as for competition, so I need something smoothy and tractible at low RPM. Regards Andrew |
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| J P Stein |
Jul 17 2008, 07:31 PM
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The big "problem" with S cams is duration and the consequent overlap. They work fine with MFI.....tho the bottom end is nothing to shout about, but carbs & MFI are horses of a different color.
MFI delivers fuel below the butterflies and has tall stacks. Carbs deliver fuel above the butterflies...close to the top of the carb, in fact, and have shorter stacks. What this all means is fuel reversion.....a nice spray of semi-atomized sitting in layers above the carb stacks. This gets sucked into the carbs when the engine starts to efficiently scavenge....around 5K rpms for an S cam. Below there, this reversion raises hell with the tune....particularly when enclosed in your....normal K & N filter with hat.....fuel bouncing all over hell & gone. One of the main reasons to avoid long duration cams in a street motor mit carbs. The Solex profile is less prone to this as is the E. Tuning is still a stinker. Run the idles & mains rich enuff to avoid the dreaded Weber flat spot and you foul plugs regular like. The solution here is a hot CD ignition & coil (I use MSD) with a bit fat plug gap (.045-.050)....ya prolly ought to have some hi-po plug wires to handle the voltage....to burn thru the rich mixture....a bandaid that keeps your plugs clean. The 2.4L motors had wimpy compression. Another point or so will reward you with more hp & torque and street gas will work fine....up to about 9.5:1. Thas about all I think I know. Note that the dyno chart above shows 225-230 hp at the crank (figuring a 15% drive line loss)& 210 ish ft/lbs of torque The famous 2.7L RS motor was rated at 210 & 188 at the crank(Probably conservative) with MFI. OK, so I run 10:1ish compression, Solex, carbs, & race gas. It's a great AX motor where low down (relatively) torque is king. The mileage sux. |
amallagh Camshaft recommendation for PMO'd 2.4S ? Jul 16 2008, 05:13 PM
brant Andrew,
have you driven an S cam MFI vehicle?
if... Jul 16 2008, 05:28 PM
ArtechnikA
...so if you need something more tractable, then ... Jul 17 2008, 06:52 AM
J P Stein Solex or E cams are the cat's ass for a street... Jul 16 2008, 06:01 PM
396
Solex or E cams are the cat's ass for a stree... Jul 16 2008, 07:29 PM
scotty b +1 for Solex :driving: S is great once you hit 6... Jul 16 2008, 08:14 PM
Phoenix-MN :agree: B)-->
Root_Werks
:agree: B)--><div class='quotetop... Jul 24 2008, 11:21 AM
amallagh Excuse my ignorance but what exactly in a Solex gr... Jul 17 2008, 03:01 PM
Phoenix-MN I think "Solex" was coined from the very... Jul 17 2008, 04:16 PM
ArtechnikA
I think "Solex" was coined from the ver... Jul 17 2008, 06:27 PM
amallagh Great info, thankyou.
So is the Solex cam specifi... Jul 17 2008, 07:02 PM
ArtechnikA
So is the Solex cam specifically optimised for us... Jul 17 2008, 07:39 PM
ArtechnikA
MFI delivers fuel below the butterflies and has t... Jul 17 2008, 07:46 PM
J P Stein Tho I can't prove it, I suspect the MFI, S com... Jul 17 2008, 08:38 PM
scotty b
Tho I can't prove it, I suspect the MFI, S co... Jul 17 2008, 08:43 PM
ArtechnikA
Tho I can't prove it, I suspect the MFI, S co... Jul 17 2008, 09:51 PM
brant You've opened a big mystery box now
there are ... Jul 17 2008, 08:42 PM
ArtechnikA
by the way, you can get GE grinds for 3 bearing s... Jul 17 2008, 10:01 PM
brant
did we ever establish if those are available for ... Jul 17 2008, 10:09 PM
ArtechnikA
I know they exist
I wish I knew you were looking
... Jul 17 2008, 11:47 PM
amallagh So if I glean some of the different opinions expre... Jul 18 2008, 03:23 AM
ArtechnikA
If the Solex cam is ideal for a PMO set up with S... Jul 18 2008, 05:32 AM
J P Stein Like most of these old parts (or old style), findi... Jul 18 2008, 07:29 AM
ArtechnikA
I forget exactly where I got these....no matter, ... Jul 18 2008, 10:13 AM
J P Stein The "ideal" cams for carbs would be the ... Jul 18 2008, 07:49 AM
J P Stein 40s...sorry about the lousy pic. :D Jul 18 2008, 05:01 PM
ArtechnikA
40s...sorry about the lousy pic.
Actually it... Jul 18 2008, 05:14 PM
TimT Amallagh,
I have a set of WebCam 158R grind cams,... Jul 18 2008, 07:29 PM
amallagh
Amallagh,
I have a set of WebCam 158R grind cams... Jul 23 2008, 04:30 PM
6freak
Amallagh,
I have a set of WebCam 158R grind cam... Jul 24 2008, 10:42 AM
TimT I forgot to add, I have dyno plots somwhere of t... Jul 18 2008, 07:38 PM
J P Stein Hay, Tim, that is a good buy. Jul 18 2008, 09:20 PM
6freak
Hay, Tim, that is a good buy.
Sent the man a P... Jul 23 2008, 09:47 AM
sixnotfour the cam card is listed on the website, looked at i... Jul 24 2008, 10:48 AM
amallagh
the cam card is listed on the website, looked at ... Jul 24 2008, 01:29 PM
J P Stein Solex & S cams have the same 97 deg lobe cent... Jul 24 2008, 07:06 PM![]() ![]() |
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