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> Amber fan shroud for 6 cyl
JackB
post Jul 22 2008, 07:34 PM
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Does anyone have a good source for an amber (some say honey colored or clear) fan shroud for my 914/6. I've heard there's a big range of fit and quality out there. Anyone have first hand experience to share?

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post Jul 23 2008, 08:08 AM
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You will suffer a great loss of face with the pinky lifter crowd if your shroud color is not correct for your six cylinder engine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

Red is the color of choice as it was supposedly fitted to the "S" engines. Using the red shroud allows you to buy more gold chains and have a manicure without being called a "Girly Boy".
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post Jul 23 2008, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(SLITS @ Jul 23 2008, 10:08 AM) *

Red is the color of choice as it was supposedly fitted to the "S" engines.

Red is the 911 crowd's "Type R" sticker.

Many 911's have been made faster by the judicious application of rattle-can red...
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post Jul 23 2008, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Jul 23 2008, 01:18 PM) *

QUOTE(SLITS @ Jul 23 2008, 10:08 AM) *

Red is the color of choice as it was supposedly fitted to the "S" engines.

Red is the 911 crowd's "Type R" sticker.

Many 911's have been made faster by the judicious application of rattle-can red...


Mine is red.

But the previous owner did use "S" cams when he built the motor (among other improvements).

I saw a carbon fiber one at Hershey a few years back... now there's your bling!
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QUOTE(zymurgist @ Jul 23 2008, 03:31 PM) *

...the previous owner did use "S" cams when he built the motor (among other improvements).

This is occasionally possible but you do have to be careful, because it's one of the famous benchracer bullshit lines.

It's hard to 'just' put in S cams (unless we are talking CIS-era S, which are pretty soft, S or not...) because in the early cars, S cams will make valves too friendly with pistons. The big valve relief pockets cut onto 911S pistons are not there to lower compression ;-)
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post Jul 23 2008, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Jul 23 2008, 01:37 PM) *

QUOTE(zymurgist @ Jul 23 2008, 03:31 PM) *

...the previous owner did use "S" cams when he built the motor (among other improvements).

This is occasionally possible but you do have to be careful, because it's one of the famous benchracer bullshit lines.

It's hard to 'just' put in S cams (unless we are talking CIS-era S, which are pretty soft, S or not...) because in the early cars, S cams will make valves too friendly with pistons. The big valve relief pockets cut onto 911S pistons are not there to lower compression ;-)



agreed,

the S cams need S pistons, which need S cylinders...
suddenly its an S motor in total...
Its usually more than just changing the cams

it can absolutely be done
but its more than "just cams"

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post Jul 24 2008, 06:40 AM
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QUOTE(brant @ Jul 24 2008, 01:54 AM) *

QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Jul 23 2008, 01:37 PM) *

QUOTE(zymurgist @ Jul 23 2008, 03:31 PM) *

...the previous owner did use "S" cams when he built the motor (among other improvements).

This is occasionally possible but you do have to be careful, because it's one of the famous benchracer bullshit lines.

It's hard to 'just' put in S cams (unless we are talking CIS-era S, which are pretty soft, S or not...) because in the early cars, S cams will make valves too friendly with pistons. The big valve relief pockets cut onto 911S pistons are not there to lower compression ;-)



agreed,

the S cams need S pistons, which need S cylinders...
suddenly its an S motor in total...
Its usually more than just changing the cams

it can absolutely be done
but its more than "just cams"

brant


I'm not in touch with the guy, so I don't have a way of asking what "everything" he did to the motor to build it up was. But the dyno doesn't lie. Obviously he did more than "just cams" to get to 190 at the wheels.
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QUOTE(zymurgist @ Jul 24 2008, 08:40 AM) *

he did more than "just cams" to get to 190 at the wheels.

Yes - we're agreeing with you ;-)

What we're actually discussing in this thread (aside from the actual stated topic) is the murky world of 'fresh rebuild' engines for sale.

A bit of rattle-can red and suddenly you have a 911S engine. or an engine 'built to 911S specs.' or 'built with 911S parts.' I think I'd almost rather have a basket case or a tired virgin core. (instead I have a tired Motor Meister rebuild of a '75S' with - yes - a red fan shroud. I have no doubt many surprises await... But I knew I was buying a core and the price was right...)

You see this all the time - engines described as "2,7RS" when all it really means is they found some 90mm Mahle P&C's. No MFI, no RS dizzy...

The same thing happens in the T-IV world. We've seen many cases of "fresh 2,0 engine" being built with 1,7 heads and 2,0 bus pistons.

Some phrases just wave red flags.

I'm sure your engine is happy and healthy and I'm glad you have the dyno numbers that back it up.
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JackB   Amber fan shroud for 6 cyl   Jul 22 2008, 07:34 PM
Cap'n Krusty   "Amber"? Like the 906? Rare, and the o...   Jul 22 2008, 08:18 PM
JackB   There are several sources. They're available f...   Jul 22 2008, 09:10 PM
Richard Casto   I don't have any direct experience but #1 on m...   Jul 22 2008, 10:09 PM
JackB   Also available from GT Racing, Series900 and some ...   Jul 22 2008, 10:46 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   GT racing and Ghetty make their own stuff. Both ve...   Jul 23 2008, 12:15 AM
Eric_Shea   Series900 is the best I've seen.   Jul 23 2008, 12:41 AM
JackB   Series900 is the best I've seen. That seems...   Jul 23 2008, 09:16 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   What is their web address?   Jul 23 2008, 02:27 AM
SLITS   You will suffer a great loss of face with the pink...   Jul 23 2008, 08:08 AM
ArtechnikA   Red is the color of choice as it was supposedly f...   Jul 23 2008, 11:18 AM
ClayPerrine   Red is the color of choice as it was supposedly ...   Jul 23 2008, 11:35 AM
zymurgist   Red is the color of choice as it was supposedly ...   Jul 23 2008, 01:31 PM
ArtechnikA   ...the previous owner did use "S" cams ...   Jul 23 2008, 01:37 PM
zymurgist   It's hard to 'just' put in S cams (un...   Jul 23 2008, 02:40 PM
brant   ...the previous owner did use "S" cams...   Jul 23 2008, 11:54 PM
zymurgist   [quote name='ArtechnikA' post='1059808' date='Jul...   Jul 24 2008, 06:40 AM
ArtechnikA   he did more than "just cams" to get to ...   Jul 24 2008, 06:52 AM
zymurgist   Yes - we're agreeing with you ;-) No worrie...   Jul 24 2008, 01:06 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I saw a carbon fiber one at Hershey a few years...   Jul 23 2008, 02:11 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   You will suffer a great loss of face with the pin...   Jul 23 2008, 12:24 PM
SLITS   You will suffer a great loss of face with the pi...   Jul 23 2008, 12:48 PM
JackB   You will suffer a great loss of face with the pin...   Jul 23 2008, 12:46 PM
Richard Casto   I think the amber/natural FG is one up on the Red/...   Jul 23 2008, 10:00 AM
turboman808   How hard is it to paint the engine shroud. Or I s...   Jul 23 2008, 11:58 AM
seanery   it's fiberglass. I've painted them befor...   Jul 23 2008, 12:15 PM
Eric_Shea   Mine's red but it should be Amber. :P   Jul 23 2008, 12:28 PM
SLITS   Mine's red but it should be Amber. :P BULLS...   Jul 23 2008, 12:46 PM
effutuo101   Mine is Pheonix Red, does that make it faster? I w...   Jul 23 2008, 12:45 PM
Eric_Shea   So THAT's what Clayton was doing when I walk...   Jul 23 2008, 12:53 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   So THAT's what Clayton was doing when I wal...   Jul 23 2008, 02:09 PM
mikez   Mine's red when it's angry.....   Jul 23 2008, 02:58 PM
bondo   Why not sand through the gelcoat and partway into ...   Jul 23 2008, 04:08 PM
seanery   pics, contact info or link for Series900?   Jul 23 2008, 10:56 PM
JackB   pics, contact info or link for Series900? Serie...   Jul 23 2008, 11:14 PM
ArtechnikA   Here's the exception I referenced... Near as ...   Jul 24 2008, 06:00 AM


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