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> Problem Resolved [was I'm Stumped], Runs briefly, then dies & won't restart
ThinAir
post Aug 2 2008, 04:04 PM
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Background: In preparation for last year's RRC I fixed the mounting on the MPS of my son's stock 1971 914-4. All seemed well until we went out for the Saturday morning run - we turned a corner and the engine suddenly died and was clearly flooded. It restarted quickly, but we had the same problem several times on that trip after that.

I assumed that I had disturbed something electrical on the passenger side of the engine and in digging around I discovered that the wire connecting the Cylinder Head Temp Sensor was corroded at its base (in fact it fell off in my hands). Ok, this is simple I said - so I bought and installed a new CHT.

Current Problem: The engine will start, but runs for only about 30 seconds before it dies. At that point it will not restart, but it smells of fuel as if it is flooded. I've checked for spark and I have spark. I've disconnected, cleaned and reconnected every electrical connection on the engine & relay board that I can find - including every relay on the board. The only connections that I have not checked are the connector where the FI harness connects to the brain.

Does anyone have any ideas on what could cause this and where to look next?
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ThinAir
post Aug 4 2008, 12:16 AM
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I have not yet gotten back to this to try and prove that it's a broken wire, but I do want to put to rest one thing - this engine does not have an operating cold start valve. It's been bypassed for several years so it was already out of play when the original problem came up.

One thing for sure - thanks to your advice about the impact of the flooding problems on oil, I'll for sure be doing an oil change before putting it back into service.
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post Aug 4 2008, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(ThinAir @ Aug 3 2008, 11:16 PM) *

I do want to put to rest one thing - this engine does not have an operating cold start valve. It's been bypassed for several years so it was already out of play when the original problem came up.



is the fuel bypassed, not just electrical unplugged, right? does fuel pressure stay up and not leak down after it sits?

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QUOTE(orange914 @ Aug 4 2008, 12:17 AM) *

QUOTE(ThinAir @ Aug 3 2008, 11:16 PM) *

I do want to put to rest one thing - this engine does not have an operating cold start valve. It's been bypassed for several years so it was already out of play when the original problem came up.



is the fuel bypassed, not just electrical unplugged, right? does fuel pressure stay up and not leak down after it sits?

mike

The electrical is disconnected and the fuel is bypassed. I have not checked how well the fuel system maintains pressure after it has been sitting, but there has never been a hint of a problem with the delivery of fuel through the fuel pump, hoses, injectors until the problem of it stalling and being flooded at that point.
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ThinAir   Problem Resolved [was I'm Stumped]   Aug 2 2008, 04:04 PM
ejm   Check the fuel pressure. Maybe the regulator is ba...   Aug 2 2008, 04:11 PM
ThinAir   Well... the mystery deepens! Right after post...   Aug 2 2008, 04:56 PM
BMXerror   Because I had noticed some oil-smoke coming from...   Aug 3 2008, 12:01 AM
swl   Further experimentation shows that if I remove th...   Aug 3 2008, 06:43 AM
ThinAir   A check of Pelican Parts has this description of t...   Aug 2 2008, 05:08 PM
justdrive914   A check of Pelican Parts has this description of ...   Aug 2 2008, 07:30 PM
ThinAir   Thank goodness for spare vehicles! A guy gave...   Aug 2 2008, 06:18 PM
swl   Thank goodness for spare vehicles! A guy gav...   Aug 2 2008, 07:43 PM
ThinAir   If you want to invest some time in #1 I have a se...   Aug 2 2008, 08:30 PM
orange914   test the mps for vacuum leakage. what about the c...   Aug 2 2008, 11:54 PM
BMXerror   Oh yeah. Another thing. Before you go searching fo...   Aug 3 2008, 12:19 AM
toon1   Check the MPS for vacume. the MPS from the 74 is d...   Aug 3 2008, 12:30 AM
toon1   Further experimentation shows that if I remove t...   Aug 3 2008, 09:46 AM
ThinAir   I have not yet gotten back to this to try and prov...   Aug 4 2008, 12:16 AM
orange914   I do want to put to rest one thing - this engine...   Aug 4 2008, 01:17 AM
ThinAir   I do want to put to rest one thing - this engin...   Aug 4 2008, 02:15 AM
wilchek   First, I think you need to narrow down your search...   Aug 4 2008, 01:43 PM
ThinAir   Well I worked on it a little bit today, but did no...   Aug 9 2008, 10:24 PM
toon1   Well I worked on it a little bit today, but did n...   Aug 10 2008, 11:42 AM
ThinAir   Check ALL other componenets BFORE you put them...   Aug 11 2008, 03:21 AM
ThinAir   It's been 6 months, but I figured I'd prov...   Feb 3 2009, 10:27 PM
championgt1   That's a good ending! :beer2:   Feb 3 2009, 10:31 PM
ThinAir   One more note. When I got it running the air clean...   Feb 3 2009, 10:55 PM
MoveQik   So Mike will be with us? Good news for sure! ...   Feb 4 2009, 12:35 AM
ThinAir   So Mike will be with us? Good news for sure...   Feb 5 2009, 04:54 PM


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