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> Problem Resolved [was I'm Stumped], Runs briefly, then dies & won't restart
ThinAir
post Aug 2 2008, 04:04 PM
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Background: In preparation for last year's RRC I fixed the mounting on the MPS of my son's stock 1971 914-4. All seemed well until we went out for the Saturday morning run - we turned a corner and the engine suddenly died and was clearly flooded. It restarted quickly, but we had the same problem several times on that trip after that.

I assumed that I had disturbed something electrical on the passenger side of the engine and in digging around I discovered that the wire connecting the Cylinder Head Temp Sensor was corroded at its base (in fact it fell off in my hands). Ok, this is simple I said - so I bought and installed a new CHT.

Current Problem: The engine will start, but runs for only about 30 seconds before it dies. At that point it will not restart, but it smells of fuel as if it is flooded. I've checked for spark and I have spark. I've disconnected, cleaned and reconnected every electrical connection on the engine & relay board that I can find - including every relay on the board. The only connections that I have not checked are the connector where the FI harness connects to the brain.

Does anyone have any ideas on what could cause this and where to look next?
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post Aug 4 2008, 01:43 PM
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First, I think you need to narrow down your search and work on one area at a time. First check the fuel pressure with a pressure meter. Harbor freight has them cheap and it will be fine for this purpose. To me it seems that you are thinking much worse than it is. Make sure the head temp sensor is good. IF you are flooding out which you are you should be able to remove the temp sensor and ground the line to the body and this will run at a fully heated setting (more lean). If the car still floods out then it is not the head temp sensor (sounds like this is not the issues). It sounds like one of you injectors are stuck open and the car is running for 30 seconds due to running out all of the fuel that is in the chamber. I think it is running with the MPS disconnected as there is still fuel in the cylinder. The injector can be stuck or the fuel pressure is too high causing the injector to leak. If the pressure is too high replace the pressure regulator, and make sure the return line to the fuel tank is not clogged. If these areas check out make sure the fuel injectors are not stuck open. So now we ruled out MPS, head temp snesor, fuel pressure and injectors. Last think to look at is the wiring. Clean all the contact at the board (which you did) and the ground contact under the airfilter at the base of the intake (all white lines). If this does not work I would bet it is the computer. I know they say that they never go but this is not true. swap a new ECU out with the quick connector under the grey door on the side of the ECU and go.

Steps to check

1. MPS ( sounds good)
2. Head temp sensor and wiring (sounds good)
3. Fuel Pressure (issues could be pressure regualtor, return line, fuel pump,and stuck open injector)
4. Injectors (stuck open)
5. ECU
6. Ground wiring

One of these things above is causing your car to flood out.
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ThinAir   Problem Resolved [was I'm Stumped]   Aug 2 2008, 04:04 PM
ejm   Check the fuel pressure. Maybe the regulator is ba...   Aug 2 2008, 04:11 PM
ThinAir   Well... the mystery deepens! Right after post...   Aug 2 2008, 04:56 PM
BMXerror   Because I had noticed some oil-smoke coming from...   Aug 3 2008, 12:01 AM
swl   Further experimentation shows that if I remove th...   Aug 3 2008, 06:43 AM
ThinAir   A check of Pelican Parts has this description of t...   Aug 2 2008, 05:08 PM
justdrive914   A check of Pelican Parts has this description of ...   Aug 2 2008, 07:30 PM
ThinAir   Thank goodness for spare vehicles! A guy gave...   Aug 2 2008, 06:18 PM
swl   Thank goodness for spare vehicles! A guy gav...   Aug 2 2008, 07:43 PM
ThinAir   If you want to invest some time in #1 I have a se...   Aug 2 2008, 08:30 PM
orange914   test the mps for vacuum leakage. what about the c...   Aug 2 2008, 11:54 PM
BMXerror   Oh yeah. Another thing. Before you go searching fo...   Aug 3 2008, 12:19 AM
toon1   Check the MPS for vacume. the MPS from the 74 is d...   Aug 3 2008, 12:30 AM
toon1   Further experimentation shows that if I remove t...   Aug 3 2008, 09:46 AM
ThinAir   I have not yet gotten back to this to try and prov...   Aug 4 2008, 12:16 AM
orange914   I do want to put to rest one thing - this engine...   Aug 4 2008, 01:17 AM
ThinAir   I do want to put to rest one thing - this engin...   Aug 4 2008, 02:15 AM
wilchek   First, I think you need to narrow down your search...   Aug 4 2008, 01:43 PM
ThinAir   Well I worked on it a little bit today, but did no...   Aug 9 2008, 10:24 PM
toon1   Well I worked on it a little bit today, but did n...   Aug 10 2008, 11:42 AM
ThinAir   Check ALL other componenets BFORE you put them...   Aug 11 2008, 03:21 AM
ThinAir   It's been 6 months, but I figured I'd prov...   Feb 3 2009, 10:27 PM
championgt1   That's a good ending! :beer2:   Feb 3 2009, 10:31 PM
ThinAir   One more note. When I got it running the air clean...   Feb 3 2009, 10:55 PM
MoveQik   So Mike will be with us? Good news for sure! ...   Feb 4 2009, 12:35 AM
ThinAir   So Mike will be with us? Good news for sure...   Feb 5 2009, 04:54 PM


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