The new 911 s/Carerra, OT, but I need to vent Options

[Pat Garvey]

Ok, this is my 3000th post. I saved this one because of how Porsche has delivered us "stalwarts" to unneccesary and even "backwoods".

Those of us who own classic 911's and 914's do most of our own work. Why, because the cars are relatively simple. Buy some books & tools - you can do most anything.

About 10 years ago Porsche lost me. They became too complicated to handle for a mere bean counter.

Just recently, I read an article about a 30 year member of PCA who bought a Cayman S,took it to the PCA Parade, and didn't know how to make the engine compartment visible for concours judging (He f_ing won!). Of course it was brand new! Wow, what a devastating win!

My point is - Porsches have become too complicated. Am I a fogey - bet your ass!

I don't want 300 dollar oil changes & transmission complexities that are meant for the track. I want relative simplicity.

I'm pushing retirement (well, actually I retired 5 years ago). I envisioned a 914/6GT or a 911RS as my retirement present to myself. or, just maybe a GT2. They've all priced themselves to levels that I don't want to commit to. May still happen.

But, my biggest problem is that Porsche, in my opinion is NOT Porcshe anymore They want us to "lease" every 4-5 years . The current management does not care about the Porscephiles that made them successful. They are not much different than GM or Ford. Yes, Porsche makles an excellent car, but one that any idiot can drive well. Everything that made a Porsche a car to be mastered has been removed/replaced by electronics.

Porsche is way too concerned with making money ( I wouldn't bitch if I could only buy some stock) and taking control of VW (why?)

Shouldn't they me trying for another entry level Porsche? Say, something around $28K, that an idiot like me could maintain? Nope, they've sold us out!

Yep, I'm pissed!

Pat

ps: Happy 3000th post to me!

[scotty b]

MAZDAS RULE !!!!



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I actually agree with Pat. Sorry Andy but Porsche IS NOT what it used to be. It USED to be a sports car. Yes they sdtill make a sports car but it USED to be EVERY Porsche was a dportd car. Bare bones driving. Now they have cup holders, GPS, power everything. I have said for yaers I'd love to see Porsche build a bare bones car again. It would sell. Gauranteed. A real manual transmission, with linkage and a shift LEVER, 250-300 H.P., 2 seats, minor carpeting NO insulation, Manual steering, MAYBE A.C., MAYBE power windows and a radio. Nothing else, just pure driving pleasure. I'd buy it.

[zymurgist]

II have said for yaers I'd love to see Porsche build a bare bones car again. It would sell. Gauranteed. A real manual transmission, with linkage and a shift LEVER, 250-300 H.P., 2 seats, minor carpeting NO insulation, Manual steering, MAYBE A.C., MAYBE power windows and a radio. Nothing else, just pure driving pleasure. I'd buy it.

This topic came up about 10 years ago on the corvetteforum. People were speculating about the mysterious new Corvette that was supposed to be a bare-bones, back to basics, lower cost model. (The clean-sheet-of-paper C5 had debuted in '97 with the C5 convertible following the next ymodel year.) Many people made the same point. Everybody wanted a basic stripper model, or so they said. When the car was introduced, guess what... it didn't sell! It was a hardtop coupe with the same powertrain as the base car and a very similar price tag. The hardtop coupes didn't really sell until the Z06 (based on that body style) came out, and of course the Z06 was a higher priced model, even after excluding dealer gouging market adjustments.

I'm gonna sit on my '70 911 for a while, and once I get rid of the Panzer Tank, start beating the bushes for a 914 2.0. Truly the 911 is the most visceral car I've ever owned. Every time I think about selling it, I fire it up and drive around for 1/2 hour and I come to my senses. I'll have my lightweight classics, and when it snows, I'll leave them in the garage and putt around in the Toyota.

[6freak]

[quote name='zymurgist' date='Aug 19 2008, 11:00 AM' post='1068781']
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II have said for yaers I'd love to see Porsche build a bare bones car again. It would sell. Gauranteed. A real manual transmission, with linkage and a shift LEVER, 250-300 H.P., 2 seats, minor carpeting NO insulation, Manual steering, MAYBE A.C., MAYBE power windows and a radio. Nothing else, just pure driving pleasure. I'd buy it.
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This topic came up about 10 years ago on the corvetteforum. People were speculating about the mysterious new Corvette that was supposed to be a bare-bones, back to basics, lower cost model. (The clean-sheet-of-paper C5 had debuted in '97 with the C5 convertible following the next ymodel year.) Many people made the same point. Everybody wanted a basic stripper model, or so they said. When the car was introduced, guess what... it didn't sell! It was a hardtop coupe with the same powertrain as the base car and a very similar price tag. The hardtop coupes didn't really sell until the Z06 (based on that body style) came out, and of course the Z06 was a higher priced model, even after excluding dealer gouging market adjustments.

I'm gonna sit on my '70 911 for a while, and once I get rid of the Panzer Tank, start beating the bushes for a 914 2.0. Truly the 911 is the most visceral car I've ever owned. Every time I think about selling it, I fire it up and drive around for 1/2 hour and I come to my senses. I'll have my lightweight classics, and when it snows, I'll leave them in the garage and putt around in the Toyota.
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If i were going to buy a new hotrod it would have to be the a Z06 it will smoke just about anything on the street for half the price...too get that kind of performance out of a german car ya`ll` spend 250K