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> CALLING ALL 2056 engine owner/builders, survey for past AND future 2056 builders
survey for past 2056 builders
how much was final cost?
UNDER $2000 [ 9 ] ** [16.67%]
UNDER$3000 [ 16 ] ** [29.63%]
UNDER $4000 [ 8 ] ** [14.81%]
UNDER $5000 [ 10 ] ** [18.52%]
UNDER $6000 [ 6 ] ** [11.11%]
UNDER $7000 [ 2 ] ** [3.70%]
OVER $7000 [ 3 ] ** [5.56%]
what problem/issues did you have during build
BOTTOM END case/cam/crank/rods [ 3 ] ** [5.56%]
P&C'S [ 7 ] ** [12.96%]
HEADS [ 3 ] ** [5.56%]
FUEL/EXHAUST [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
MORE THAN 1 AREA [ 5 ] ** [9.26%]
No problems [ 36 ] ** [66.67%]
what problem/issues did you have AFTER engine break in
BOTTOM END [ 2 ] ** [3.70%]
P&C'S [ 2 ] ** [3.70%]
HEADS [ 4 ] ** [7.41%]
FUEL/EXHAUST [ 8 ] ** [14.81%]
MORE THAN 1 AREA [ 2 ] ** [3.70%]
No problems [ 36 ] ** [66.67%]
Total Votes: 162
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orange914
post Aug 20 2008, 11:29 PM
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i am interested in the REAL world cost and issues incured by others who have built these motors. i recently finished one and so far am extreemly happy with how strong and smooth it runs. there where issues as with alot of things but after working thru them, all is well. my 2056 probably has a bit more done to it than most 2056 builds, that may account for the successful outcome BUT maybe not. from what i've seen this is a highly sucessful combination.

don't be shy and tell us what ALL was done and your detailed experiance with building/driving it. this could be a great help for past and present 2056 builds.

if there is interest i'll make another poll on presures and temp.'s

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Jake Raby
post Aug 20 2008, 11:52 PM
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I'll enter this one as an Enthusiast, not a professional:

I built the 2056 in my 912E in September 2002, 144K miles ago- it used the first set of KB pistons and the first set of Hastings rings as well.. I coupled that to OE bored cylinders.

The OE head castings had very few issues and were simply fully rebuilt with new seats, guides and hardware. I did our spark plug strengthening procedures to the heads with 12mm plugs and no port work was done at all, chambers were balanced and that was about the extent of the head work.

I coupled that to a RAT 9530 camshaft with Johnson lifters.

I pulled the original crank and rods out and they didn't even need rebuilding, I polished the crank and installed some new rod bearings, main bearings and cam bearings.. I did nothing to the rods, didn't re-bush them or re-size them, because at the time the car was perfect and I didn't plan on driving it much at all.. Then I met this chick that lived 3 hours away and I had 35K on the engine in the first year!

I literally patched this one up from its OE parts and only replaced bearings, cam/ lifters, pistons and bored the OE cylinders.. I didn't encounter any issues during assembly and I built the engine in a single long day at the shop...

When dynoed it made 127HP, up a hell of a lot from the 76HP rating it had from the factory!
I ran the engine on dual 44 Webers for 59K miles, at which time it was swapped back to FI with a Kit Carlson EMS unit for testing. I ran this for 10K miles until the developer asked for the system back... I then installed a RAT/ SDS FI arrangement and it has been on the engine every since.

The last time I adjusted the valves was february 2003.
I have gone NO LESS than 10K miles on an oil change and as much as 23K... The engine has ran Royal Purple oil since it was conceived...

A few weeks ago I did the math on the MPG for the first time in a long time and came up with 37 MPG... The best the engine ever got was just over 40 when it was only 20K miles old and 37 @ 144K of pure abuse and neglect is amazing!

The engine shows some signs of weakness after all those hard ass miles, but I have no plans to tear it down until it has parts hanging out of it :-)

I like the 2056 combination, they make excellent power per dollar spent and are the simplest engine to assemble.

BTW- You should amend your poll questions to cover "no issues encountered" because my build cost less than 2K (at the time) and I didn't encounter any odd issues during the build and haven't in the 144K following it.

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orange914   CALLING ALL 2056 engine owner/builders   Aug 20 2008, 11:29 PM
Jake Raby   I'll enter this one as an Enthusiast, not a pr...   Aug 20 2008, 11:52 PM
orange914   I did our spark plug strengthening procedures to...   Aug 21 2008, 01:54 AM
McMark   My first 2056 was built with a set of AA pistons a...   Aug 21 2008, 02:32 AM
orange914   My first 2056 was built with a set of AA pistons ...   Aug 21 2008, 06:49 PM
sww914   My first 2056 is still my first 2056. I spent unde...   Aug 21 2008, 02:53 AM
McMark   Steve, are you aware that there is a fore/aft adju...   Aug 21 2008, 03:23 AM
sww914   Steve, are you aware that there is a fore/aft adj...   Aug 21 2008, 09:29 PM
Vacca Rabite   I built mine over the winter of 2007. my only iss...   Aug 21 2008, 08:06 AM
Jake Raby   Orange, The heads you picked up off me were not po...   Aug 21 2008, 08:48 AM
azbill   My 2056 was expensive because I bought an engine f...   Aug 21 2008, 09:41 AM
Aircooledfool   My 2056 was expensive because I bought an engine ...   Apr 1 2012, 10:27 AM
Jake Raby   Bill, thats one hell of a lot of torque from a sto...   Aug 21 2008, 10:07 AM
396   Great reading... now how does one come up with a 2...   Aug 21 2008, 10:42 AM
Matt Meyer   Great reading... now how does one come up with a ...   Aug 21 2008, 11:44 AM
Jake Raby   Follow the 1.7/ 1.8 >> 2.0 conversion articl...   Aug 21 2008, 11:10 AM
396   Follow the 1.7/ 1.8 >> 2.0 conversion artic...   Aug 21 2008, 01:59 PM
scottb   my 2056 was expensive (>$7000) because i f...   Aug 21 2008, 11:32 AM
pete-stevers   i have never built one...but follow this engines t...   Aug 21 2008, 11:49 AM
Joe Ricard   I guess it all depends on what you want to spend o...   Aug 21 2008, 11:51 AM
Al Meredith   I built a 2056 about two years ago. It is in my 91...   Aug 21 2008, 08:15 PM
McMark   IIRC, I got them for $500 when they were ava...   Aug 21 2008, 09:07 PM
Vacca Rabite   Hahaha! Someone necro-polled! And I jus...   Aug 22 2010, 06:26 PM
DanT   mine was easy... under $3K no issues during b...   Aug 22 2010, 07:36 PM
realred914   i am interested in the REAL world cost and issues...   Aug 23 2010, 08:55 AM
orange914   [quote name='orange914' post='1069559' date='Aug ...   Aug 23 2010, 06:46 PM
realred914   [quote name='orange914' post='1069559' date='Aug...   Aug 24 2010, 09:32 AM
Bleyseng   I can tell you mine.. Raby supplied 96mm J&E p...   Aug 23 2010, 09:06 AM
realred914   Great thanks for the details!!!!...   Aug 23 2010, 09:15 AM
Bleyseng   The "Best" way is to reuse your 94mm cyl...   Aug 23 2010, 09:24 AM
realred914   The "Best" way is to reuse your 94mm cy...   Aug 23 2010, 09:28 AM
Vacca Rabite   I have heard bad things about the AA sets for high...   Aug 23 2010, 04:52 PM
Jake Raby   Funny this popped back up.. I am assembling a 2056...   Aug 23 2010, 06:10 PM
realred914   Funny this popped back up.. I am assembling a 205...   Aug 24 2010, 09:39 AM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Jake Raby' post='1360279' date='Aug ...   Aug 25 2010, 11:07 AM
Don M   the crank has 260K on it now and still mic'd o...   Aug 26 2010, 07:25 AM
Jake Raby   the crank has 260K on it now and still mic'd ...   Aug 26 2010, 08:53 AM
Don M   The variance in the stock crank sizes is more tha...   Aug 27 2010, 07:29 AM
Don M   The variance in the stock crank sizes is more th...   Aug 30 2010, 08:16 PM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Don M' post='1361949' date='Aug 27 2...   Aug 31 2010, 07:57 AM
Don M   A part number for a set of bearings isn't goi...   Aug 31 2010, 06:48 PM
realred914   [quote name='Don M' post='1361437' date='Aug 26 2...   Aug 27 2010, 09:21 AM
JimN73   I'm going thru a 2056 rebuild right now, the o...   Aug 24 2010, 09:56 AM
scotty b   Jake, what are the limitations with stock 2.0 inje...   Aug 25 2010, 09:13 AM
Cevan   My cost was about $3000 total to rebuild a 2....   Aug 25 2010, 12:14 PM
realred914   My cost was about $3000 total to rebuild a 2...   Aug 25 2010, 11:26 PM
Jake Raby   http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/store/home.php...   Aug 26 2010, 01:04 AM
realred914   http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/store/home.ph...   Aug 26 2010, 08:50 AM
Jake Raby   Nope, no O/S or U/S bearings were used or availabl...   Aug 31 2010, 07:06 PM
Don M   Nope, no O/S or U/S bearings were used or availab...   Sep 1 2010, 09:07 PM
Jake Raby   Nope, no O/S or U/S bearings were used or availa...   Sep 2 2010, 08:44 AM
realred914   [quote name='Don M' post='1364840' date='Sep 1 20...   Sep 2 2010, 09:48 AM
Don M   I finished the big end of the rods to the size nec...   Sep 2 2010, 09:52 PM
realred914   still tyring to get the answer Jake: are you usin...   Sep 2 2010, 08:06 AM
Bleyseng   Ahh, its just some fancy Snake Oil......   Sep 2 2010, 09:10 AM
Jake Raby   Ahh, its just some fancy Snake Oil...... Exactl...   Sep 2 2010, 09:29 AM
Bleyseng   I thought it was quite funny when I first saw it.....   Sep 2 2010, 03:15 PM
pete-stevers   Geoff...when are you guys coming back for a visit?...   Sep 2 2010, 03:47 PM


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