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| Wes V |
Oct 4 2008, 07:07 PM
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I think I've come up with a totaly new way to hook up 911 parking brakes. It involves making up longer hybrid cables.
It's not complex, doesn't cost tons, and is about as straight forward as possible. It functions exactly as intended in the 911. Here is a teaser photo; (IMG:http://www.performanceforum.com/wesvann/914a/my-rear-brake/b-mrb1.jpg) Here is a link to my write-up on how I did it (it's a preliminary write-up). hybrid cables Wes (can somebody please find me the photo that I've seen on this site where somebody used a cable end block at the parking brake lever that had set screws) |
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| PRS914-6 |
Oct 5 2008, 08:50 AM
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Excellence Magazine Project 914 3.6 ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,278 Joined: 20-May 06 From: Central California Member No.: 6,031 Region Association: None |
Another thought on your idea........I don't have an arm here to look at but is there enough room to cut the arm (notch it) and weld a tube in its place with a straight shot to the mechanism? Also, I'm not sure but I'll look the next time my car is on the rack but there might be header interference with the cable out away from the arm...it's very close on a 6. Might need a tight 90 deg there.
You can draw a sketch of exactly what you want and send it to Terry cable and they will manufacture the cable perfectly as you like. |
| andys |
Oct 6 2008, 10:57 AM
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Another thought on your idea........I don't have an arm here to look at but is there enough room to cut the arm (notch it) and weld a tube in its place with a straight shot to the mechanism? Also, I'm not sure but I'll look the next time my car is on the rack but there might be header interference with the cable out away from the arm...it's very close on a 6. Might need a tight 90 deg there. You can draw a sketch of exactly what you want and send it to Terry cable and they will manufacture the cable perfectly as you like. Wes, Very nice write-up! For you bell crank types, Wes came up with a very clever solution which employs a compound bell crank that provides opposing actions. He claims it's a bit too complex but, I disagree and think it's a unique solution and it allows the use of the stock e-brake cables. Wes, can you post some photos of this? The one funamental problem with the 911 e-brake is getting a nice straight shot at the actuator. All the solutions place the cable at a slight angle; I don't know for sure how much of a real issue this is (perhaps none) but it "seems" less than ideal. Short of modifying the trailing arm, you're pretty much stuck with this as is. Wilhelm, do you have a close photo of that 928 brake shoe spreader? Seems like it would simplify things quite a bit. Andys |
| Wilhelm |
Oct 6 2008, 08:25 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 408 Joined: 7-September 07 From: Hooterville, OR Member No.: 8,088 Region Association: None |
Another thought on your idea........I don't have an arm here to look at but is there enough room to cut the arm (notch it) and weld a tube in its place with a straight shot to the mechanism? Also, I'm not sure but I'll look the next time my car is on the rack but there might be header interference with the cable out away from the arm...it's very close on a 6. Might need a tight 90 deg there. You can draw a sketch of exactly what you want and send it to Terry cable and they will manufacture the cable perfectly as you like. Wes, Very nice write-up! For you bell crank types, Wes came up with a very clever solution which employs a compound bell crank that provides opposing actions. He claims it's a bit too complex but, I disagree and think it's a unique solution and it allows the use of the stock e-brake cables. Wes, can you post some photos of this? The one funamental problem with the 911 e-brake is getting a nice straight shot at the actuator. All the solutions place the cable at a slight angle; I don't know for sure how much of a real issue this is (perhaps none) but it "seems" less than ideal. Short of modifying the trailing arm, you're pretty much stuck with this as is. Wilhelm, do you have a close photo of that 928 brake shoe spreader? Seems like it would simplify things quite a bit. Andys Here they are: All the parts seperated ![]() Cable attached ![]() Hooked to spreader ![]() In the un-expanded mode ![]() Again in the unexpanded mode attached to shoes ![]() In the expanded mode attached to shoes (Note: the shoes are now farther apart) ![]() The end for the parking brake cables for this application can be found here: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ms20667.php This is what I'll be using with my trailing arms from another thread: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=86910 |
Wes V A different way to hook up 911 e-brakes Oct 4 2008, 07:07 PM
okieflyr Sweeeeet! :popcorn: Oct 4 2008, 07:55 PM
Wilhelm Nice write up.
What are your ideas for the parki... Oct 4 2008, 09:53 PM
Wilhelm
Nice write up.
What are your ideas for the park... Oct 4 2008, 10:38 PM
LarryR Very nice! I am getting ready to to the 911 br... Oct 4 2008, 10:09 PM
PRS914-6 Nice write up. Most of us have thought of the ide... Oct 4 2008, 11:17 PM
Larry Hubby Clever and resourceful, Wes. Looks good!
Larr... Oct 5 2008, 03:49 AM
Wes V The issue with the bell-crank solution is that it ... Oct 5 2008, 11:27 AM

Wilhelm
The issue with the bell-crank solution is that it... Oct 5 2008, 11:52 AM

Richard Casto
The 928,944, 924 mechanism requires only a pull, ... Oct 6 2008, 12:55 PM
jj83118 I was going to post my 911 e-brake cable solution,... Oct 5 2008, 03:13 PM
jj83118 Another shot from the inside. Oct 5 2008, 03:16 PM
jj83118 Welded cable end. Oct 5 2008, 03:17 PM
Wilhelm
Welded cable end.
So when you cut this cable e... Oct 5 2008, 04:50 PM
Wes V
Welded cable end.
I like this!
I never th... Oct 5 2008, 06:17 PM
jj83118 A complete cable (still need to shorten the thread... Oct 5 2008, 03:19 PM
sixnotfour
silver solder the way to go but crimping is way m... Oct 5 2008, 04:54 PM
ClayPerrine This thread made me want to post this now. The pr... Oct 5 2008, 07:06 PM
Wes V Clay;
The fact that what I did would place the sh... Oct 5 2008, 08:09 PM
ClayPerrine
Clay;
I'd have prefered that you just post t... Oct 5 2008, 08:42 PM
jj83118 I welded the crimped ends back on with a MIG welde... Oct 5 2008, 09:32 PM
Richard Casto Wes,
Thanks for showing how you did this. I am s... Oct 6 2008, 12:49 PM
Wes V This is what AndyS is talking about when he commen... Oct 6 2008, 01:12 PM
Richard Casto Wes,
Thats pretty cool. Basically its just like ... Oct 6 2008, 01:47 PM
Wes V Richard;
In light of the fact you can figure out ... Oct 6 2008, 02:03 PM
Richard Casto I am an Electrical Engineer by training, but I sti... Oct 6 2008, 03:43 PM
Wes V
If someone wants to send me the 924/944/928 parts... Oct 6 2008, 05:15 PM
ClayPerrine I actually looked at the 924/944 solution. The mou... Oct 6 2008, 09:53 PM
Wilhelm
I actually looked at the 924/944 solution. The mo... Oct 6 2008, 10:37 PM
ClayPerrine
I actually looked at the 924/944 solution. The m... Oct 7 2008, 07:42 AM
Wes V (I'm glad I started this sting)
Here's a ... Oct 7 2008, 11:03 AM
Wes V I think it dawned on me why Clay said that the 944... Oct 7 2008, 11:51 AM
jcd914
I think it dawned on me why Clay said that the 94... Oct 7 2008, 12:56 PM
ClayPerrine 66-68 911 park brakes are the same as the later on... Oct 7 2008, 01:26 PM
Wes V I formally bow in humility to Clay Perrine! :w... Oct 7 2008, 07:09 PM
craig downs I've been working on this also for about two w... Oct 7 2008, 11:55 PM
craig downs Here a little what I've done
You have to remov... Oct 8 2008, 12:05 AM
craig downs and
Oct 8 2008, 12:07 AM
Richard Casto Craig,
Excellent job! It looks like you are ... Oct 8 2008, 02:55 PM
craig downs 911 shoe on the left and a 944 on the right it the... Oct 8 2008, 12:28 AM
Richard Casto
911 shoe on the left and a 944 on the right it th... Oct 8 2008, 03:08 PM
smdubovsky Just about every porsche other than the 911/912 ... Oct 8 2008, 09:39 AM
andys Guys,
Keep up the good work. This thread is getti... Oct 8 2008, 11:12 AM
Richard Casto Just spent a few minutes looking at PET for 924, 9... Oct 8 2008, 02:51 PM
ClayPerrine I have had sitting side by side in front of me a 9... Oct 8 2008, 03:09 PM
craig downs I'm totally aware of how the backing plate is ... Oct 8 2008, 09:04 PM
Wes V Craig;
On the prior page, jcd914 posted a photo s... Oct 9 2008, 09:31 AM
Wes V Craig;
Here is some more "food for thought... Oct 9 2008, 12:51 PM
ClayPerrine In the middle of the day today a stray thought abo... Oct 9 2008, 02:05 PM
Eric_Shea
Not sure if that's accurate. I believe they... Oct 9 2008, 02:28 PM
ClayPerrine
Not sure if that's accurate. I believe the... Oct 9 2008, 03:09 PM
Eric_Shea Wait... rethinking. You're right.
The spreade... Oct 9 2008, 02:34 PM
ClayPerrine
Wait... rethinking. You're right.
The spread... Oct 9 2008, 03:11 PM
Richard Casto I think another way to say what Eric is saying is.... Oct 9 2008, 03:16 PM
Wes V I agree with what Richard is saying.
Think of the... Oct 9 2008, 03:40 PM
smdubovsky
If you yank on the parking brake while the car is... Oct 9 2008, 03:52 PM
PRS914-6 Guys, you have to have a firm stop and the shoes h... Oct 9 2008, 03:58 PM
Eric_Shea I almost had it :lol3:
The "stop" preve... Oct 9 2008, 06:49 PM
craig downs Lots of good information this is a fun thread and ... Oct 10 2008, 12:53 AM
Wes V
Lots of good information this is a fun thread and... Oct 10 2008, 09:02 AM
craig downs Checking cable line up. Going to cut and realign c... Oct 10 2008, 01:00 AM
craig downs In the relaxed position
In the pulled positio... Oct 10 2008, 01:09 AM
craig downs Mocking up a shoe stop I'll make them up this ... Oct 10 2008, 01:17 AM
Wes V
The stop will have to have support blocks welded ... Oct 10 2008, 09:50 AM

Richard Casto
The stop will have to have support blocks welded... Oct 10 2008, 12:47 PM
Richard Casto
Mocking up a shoe stop I'll make them up this... Oct 10 2008, 12:50 PM
craig downs This show why the spreaders need rear support as y... Oct 10 2008, 01:22 AM
Wes V Craig;
Here is an idea for you to think about;
M... Oct 10 2008, 09:23 AM
Phoenix-MN "Are you planning on installing a "retur... Oct 10 2008, 09:57 AM
Richard Casto Continuing to think out loud here. I promise this... Oct 10 2008, 01:01 PM
Wes V Richard;
I think your "drawn" diagram i... Oct 10 2008, 01:27 PM
smdubovsky Heres a pic of an early steel 911 arm. The late a... Oct 10 2008, 04:05 PM
craig downs Richard figured it out what I was trying to explai... Oct 10 2008, 07:04 PM
Steve I would love to do this to my car. Does anyone kn... Jan 3 2009, 12:23 PM
burton73 Steve,
You are still going to need a set of rear ... Jan 3 2009, 06:36 PM
Steve
Steve,
You are still going to need a set of rear... Jan 4 2009, 07:57 PM
charliew It looks to me that the aluminum arm style straigh... Jan 4 2009, 05:27 PM
charliew I bought some 911 rear brakes and aluminum arms on... Jan 5 2009, 11:34 AM
Steve I bought these parts from Parts Heaven. They do n... Feb 21 2009, 11:13 PM
Steve Here's the one with the bolt holes. Feb 21 2009, 11:14 PM
craig downs You happen to get a later year e-bake assembly tha... Feb 22 2009, 01:42 AM
Steve
You happen to get a later year e-bake assembly th... Feb 23 2009, 09:03 AM
jaxdream Hi guys , I too have been wanting a 911 ebrake set... Feb 22 2009, 11:34 AM
PRS914-6 Actually, if you have good cables the two springs ... Feb 22 2009, 12:06 PM
scotty b I think I still have a complete 86 944 rear suspen... Feb 22 2009, 12:19 PM
charliew The later angle pull spreaders are to me the best ... Feb 22 2009, 01:24 PM
Steve I finally put mine together and tested it out at W... Jul 29 2009, 06:40 PM
Steve Here's a picture of the fabbed up cable. You ... Jul 29 2009, 06:45 PM
Steve Here's another picture of the copper pipe befo... Jul 29 2009, 07:14 PM![]() ![]() |
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