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Heat exchangers for a six, Who makes the best?

Johny Blackstain	Oct 27 2008, 09:23 AM Post #1
Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region	I'm not 18 anymore & require heat in my car. I bought my six off the 914world classifieds 2 yrs ago & have found the car to be a blast, except in the winter. Very good for the air cooled engine, very bad for my bones. Obviously I have headers & I love the power, torque & sound I get out of them. I'd like to presume that the original heat exchangers were removed for the number 1 reason here on the East Coast... RUST & $COST$. I can live w/out A/C, but heat is a must. Suggestions? The six is sporting a high compression 2.7.

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Lavanaut	Oct 27 2008, 12:53 PM Post #2
Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	QUOTE(GeorgeRud @ Oct 27 2008, 10:03 AM) The original factory ones are available, though they make the aftermarket ones seem cheap. I don't think this is true. George @ AA told me his last set is long gone and sold for $5k. If you know of another source for OEMs, do tell! But oh, uhhh...in private please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Oct 27 2008, 11:39 AM) Just got off the phone w/ "Lufteknic" & they claim there is a backorder for the SSI exchangers & wanted $250 deposit to put me on the list (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Backorder for SSI heat exhangers for a /6? That's one list I'd highly advise steering clear of... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Johny Blackstain	Oct 27 2008, 01:00 PM Post #3
Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region	QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Oct 27 2008, 02:53 PM) I don't think this is true. George @ AA told me his last set is long gone and sold for $5k. If you know of another source for OEMs, do tell! But oh, uhhh...in private please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) , George told me the same thing. However, this is my thread so get in line!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Oct 27 2008, 02:53 PM) Backorder for SSI heat exhangers for a /6? That's one list I'd highly advise steering clear of... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Again, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) . They got none of my money. I asked them to get back to me to see where exactly I'd be on this list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Lavanaut	Oct 27 2008, 01:06 PM Post #4
Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Oct 27 2008, 12:00 PM) QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Oct 27 2008, 02:53 PM) Backorder for SSI heat exhangers for a /6? That's one list I'd highly advise steering clear of... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Again, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) . They got none of my money. I asked them to get back to me to see where exactly I'd be on this list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) What I was getting at is that, as others have already said in your thread ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)), SSI has never made heat exchangers for the /6, and I've read that the owner has stated explicitly that he will not ever make 914 exchangers again. I think Andy had a conversation about it with him at one time. Anyone care to comment on this? If I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first/last time, buuuut....

Johny Blackstain	Oct 27 2008, 01:17 PM Post #5
Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region	QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Oct 27 2008, 03:06 PM) What I was getting at is that, as others have already said in your thread ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)), SSI has never made heat exchangers for the /6, and I've read that the owner has stated explicitly that he will not ever make 914 exchangers again. I think Andy had a conversation about it with him at one time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I seem to remember something along these lines myself. Also, I was wrong about GHL- they look nothing like the Patrick ones... quite shitty looking to be honest. Real a shame about the bad luck Perry had w/ B&B... best looking ones of the bunch. However in comparing the photos between B&B & Patrick Motorsports these look like they're made @ the same plant. This scares the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) out of me.

number6	Oct 27 2008, 05:10 PM Post #6
Member Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 14-September 08 From: portland, or Member No.: 9,546 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Oct 27 2008, 12:17 PM) QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Oct 27 2008, 03:06 PM) What I was getting at is that, as others have already said in your thread ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)), SSI has never made heat exchangers for the /6, and I've read that the owner has stated explicitly that he will not ever make 914 exchangers again. I think Andy had a conversation about it with him at one time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I seem to remember something along these lines myself. Also, I was wrong about GHL- they look nothing like the Patrick ones... quite shitty looking to be honest. Real a shame about the bad luck Perry had w/ B&B... best looking ones of the bunch. However in comparing the photos between B&B & Patrick Motorsports these look like they're made @ the same plant. This scares the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) out of me. The Patrick Motorsports is the Billy Boat. There's a B&B logo right on the page (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I have a set of B&Bs on my car, but unfortunately, it's not back from the shop, so I can't really comment. My expectations are not high, though, from what I've heard from other owners. The Hayward & Scott ones look promising - does anyone here have experience with them?

Johny Blackstain	Oct 27 2008, 05:34 PM Post #7
Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region	QUOTE(number6 @ Oct 27 2008, 07:10 PM) The Patrick Motorsports is the Billy Boat. There's a B&B logo right on the page (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I thought so. Thanks. Hayward & Scott still have my vote.

number6	Oct 27 2008, 05:43 PM Post #8
Member Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 14-September 08 From: portland, or Member No.: 9,546 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Oct 27 2008, 04:34 PM) QUOTE(number6 @ Oct 27 2008, 07:10 PM) The Patrick Motorsports is the Billy Boat. There's a B&B logo right on the page (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I thought so. Thanks. Hayward & Scott still have my vote. If you get a set, will you post a review/follow-up? I'm with you in thinking the Hayward & Scott may be the winner. Time to scour the forums...

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Johny Blackstain Heat exchangers for a six Oct 27 2008, 09:23 AM

type47 i think there are some stainless steel HE (w/heat)... Oct 27 2008, 09:58 AM

Johny Blackstain i think there are some stainless steel HE (w/heat... Oct 27 2008, 10:08 AM

r_towle i think there are some stainless steel HE (w/hea... Oct 27 2008, 10:29 AM

Johny Blackstain Have you checked with SSI? I think they are still... Oct 27 2008, 10:32 AM

r_towle [quote name='r_towle' post='1095341' date='Oct 27... Oct 27 2008, 10:39 AM

Johny Blackstain have you heard of Google...? Its a really simple ... Oct 27 2008, 10:50 AM

jd74914 Why would that be? The stock /6 ones were made for... Oct 27 2008, 10:18 AM

Johny Blackstain Why would that be? The stock /6 ones were made fo... Oct 27 2008, 10:29 AM

J P Stein No SSIs for a 914/6. From what I have heard, the ... Oct 27 2008, 11:01 AM

GeorgeRud Unless something has changed, SSI has never made a... Oct 27 2008, 11:03 AM

SirAndy Unless something has changed, SSI has never made ... Oct 27 2008, 04:25 PM

SirAndy The other option is to install an Eberspacher gas... Oct 27 2008, 04:27 PM

9146986 B&B makes some, but 3 out of 4 sets won't ... Oct 27 2008, 11:31 AM

Johny Blackstain B&B makes some, but 3 out of 4 sets won't... Oct 27 2008, 12:39 PM

9146986 Here's a pic from the GHL website, the heater ... Oct 27 2008, 11:49 AM

J P Stein Here's a pic from the GHL website, the heater... Oct 27 2008, 12:07 PM

dr914@autoatlanta.com Here's a pic from the GHL website, the heate... Feb 8 2010, 04:31 PM

Lavanaut With that stated who of us would pay 3500.00 for a... Feb 8 2010, 05:48 PM

dr914@autoatlanta.com With that stated who of us would pay 3500.00 for ... Feb 9 2010, 04:15 PM

number6 With that stated who of us would pay 3500.00 for ... Feb 8 2010, 09:32 PM

dr914@autoatlanta.com I will try to get and post a picture of the stainl... Feb 9 2010, 04:19 PM

Lavanaut The original factory ones are available, though t... Oct 27 2008, 12:53 PM

Johny Blackstain I don't think this is true. George @ AA told... Oct 27 2008, 01:00 PM

Lavanaut [quote name='Lavanaut' post='1095386' date='Oct 2... Oct 27 2008, 01:06 PM

Johny Blackstain What I was getting at is that, as others have alr... Oct 27 2008, 01:17 PM

number6 [quote name='Lavanaut' post='1095391' date='Oct 2... Oct 27 2008, 05:10 PM

Johny Blackstain The Patrick Motorsports is the Billy Boat. There... Oct 27 2008, 05:34 PM

number6 The Patrick Motorsports is the Billy Boat. There... Oct 27 2008, 05:43 PM

PanelBilly I'm not far enough into my car build to be loo... Oct 27 2008, 01:08 PM

GeorgeRud The difficulty is that you should not weld the out... Oct 27 2008, 01:19 PM

Johny Blackstain "Luftecnic", SSI distributors here on th... Oct 27 2008, 01:39 PM

iamchappy Or the Hayword and Scott. Which might be a pain to... Oct 27 2008, 02:45 PM

Johny Blackstain Or the Hayword and Scott. Which might be a pain t... Oct 27 2008, 03:30 PM

number6 I have the stock HE's but have found that the... Oct 28 2008, 05:03 PM

morgan_harwell I'm looking forward to an actual owner/user of... Oct 27 2008, 04:09 PM

Root_Werks I'm looking forward to an actual owner/user o... Oct 28 2008, 12:42 PM

iamchappy Johny, if you contact them ask if they can make th... Oct 27 2008, 05:52 PM

Johny Blackstain Johny, if you contact them ask if they can make t... Oct 27 2008, 06:07 PM

number6 Johny, if you contact them ask if they can make ... Oct 27 2008, 08:24 PM

Johny Blackstain I shot them an email as well. Will share any info... Oct 27 2008, 08:29 PM

number6 I did not ask about a larger diameter yet & y... Oct 28 2008, 04:33 AM

9146986 The Hayward & Scott have welds inside the heat... Oct 27 2008, 11:41 PM

number6 The Hayward & Scott have welds inside the hea... Oct 28 2008, 04:29 AM

SirAndy The Hayward & Scott have welds inside the he... Oct 28 2008, 12:52 PM

Root_Werks There is a special wrench you can buy for VW/Porsc... Oct 28 2008, 01:51 PM

Phoenix 914-6GT It looks like they use the same headers as Triad w... Oct 28 2008, 02:01 PM

9146986 These came up in a thread about a year ago, and I ... Oct 28 2008, 02:22 PM

iamchappy I would think a few well placed holes drilled into... Oct 28 2008, 02:27 PM

number6 A follow-up response: Yes we can make them in whi... Oct 28 2008, 03:01 PM

Eric_Shea Andy, Whay I think Perry is referring to is havin... Oct 28 2008, 03:29 PM

Lavanaut If there is a weld that is contained within that ... Oct 28 2008, 04:59 PM

Root_Werks If there is a weld that is contained within that... Oct 28 2008, 05:03 PM

iamchappy Stock HE's will work with the 3.2 ok, i know t... Oct 28 2008, 05:16 PM

number6 From Hayward & Scott, in response to my inquir... Oct 29 2008, 03:47 AM

Eric_Shea If anything is wrong or goes wrong with that wel... Oct 29 2008, 08:29 AM

luisqcosta you can always try the source for these exhausts... Oct 29 2008, 06:35 PM

morgan_harwell Does anyone here use the GHLs? The heaterboxes on ... Oct 30 2008, 08:02 AM

Dr Evil Hey Al, come April at the Hershey swap meet you ca... Oct 30 2008, 03:53 PM

jim912928 I purchased the GHL's however I don't know... Oct 30 2008, 05:26 PM

Johny Blackstain :popcorn: What a thread! I just got back la... Oct 31 2008, 11:47 AM

amallagh Johnny et al, did you end up buying a set of excha... Dec 1 2008, 07:11 PM

Johny Blackstain Johnny et al, did you end up buying a set of exch... Dec 1 2008, 08:08 PM

number6 Johnny et al, did you end up buying a set of exch... Dec 1 2008, 10:01 PM

TedK Their website says 1500 pounds before shipping, ho... Dec 1 2008, 09:25 PM

amallagh Their website says 1500 pounds before shipping, h... Dec 2 2008, 02:55 AM

GeorgeRud A good carbon monixide detector (used in small air... Dec 1 2008, 10:08 PM

Johny Blackstain £1305.00 is the price Ian quoted me, including sh... Dec 4 2008, 03:14 PM

Eric_Shea "Any" time you have welds hidden under... Dec 4 2008, 04:34 PM

thesey914 I like the Eberspacher Idea. Cheaper than exchange... Dec 8 2008, 02:37 AM

Johny Blackstain Well, the Hayward & Scott exchangers are on th... Dec 20 2008, 10:44 AM

number6 Well, the Hayward & Scott exchangers are on t... Dec 20 2008, 06:16 PM

Johny Blackstain In writing w/ Ian the price I was quoted was less ... Dec 24 2008, 06:42 PM

number6 In writing w/ Ian the price I was quoted was less... Dec 24 2008, 07:15 PM

Johny Blackstain Al, when will those puppies go on? -duc I have t... Dec 24 2008, 07:53 PM

number6 Al, when will those puppies go on? -duc I have ... Dec 24 2008, 08:09 PM

LarryR In writing w/ Ian the price I was quoted was less... Dec 25 2008, 12:49 AM

Johny Blackstain Has anyone got a part number for the rubber gasket... Dec 24 2008, 09:48 PM

9146986 6's don't have that, and they don't ha... Dec 24 2008, 10:56 PM

Johny Blackstain 6's don't have that, and they don't h... Dec 25 2008, 09:32 AM

9146986 Al, only the 4's have that grommet. The pape... Dec 25 2008, 10:09 AM

Johny Blackstain Seems wanting some heat in my car is nickle & ... Jan 13 2009, 09:55 AM

6freak Seems wanting some heat in my car is nickle ... Jan 13 2009, 01:40 PM

PanelBilly Come on now, get this done so we'll know if it... Jan 13 2009, 10:57 AM

9146986 What I did on one conversion car was put the flapp... Jan 13 2009, 06:43 PM

morgan_harwell :bump: >[Johny Blackstain, early 2009-ish]. ... Feb 8 2010, 01:07 PM

Eric_Shea Great timing... I think Al's got about 3' ... Feb 8 2010, 02:25 PM

PanelBilly not I and I'm one known to waste money on such... Feb 8 2010, 04:51 PM

Johny Blackstain My lazy ass still has not put them in yet so I don... Feb 9 2010, 07:38 AM

amallagh I bought a set of the H&S heat exchangers in D... Feb 9 2010, 03:17 PM

dr914@autoatlanta.com Here is a picture of the four cylinder heat exchan... Feb 9 2010, 05:00 PM

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