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> 914 Shop Manuals in PDF, Does anyone have the Shop Manuals in PDF?
Stapler
post Nov 25 2008, 12:46 PM
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Would any of you that have the Shop Manuals in PDF be kind enough to send them to me?


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post Nov 25 2008, 08:28 PM
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Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone's backing Jake and Len because someone has stole there patented work.

Whats the difference?
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post Nov 25 2008, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(kconway @ Nov 25 2008, 06:28 PM) *

Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone's backing Jake and Len because someone has stole there patented work.

Whats the difference?


Hmmmmmmmmm..... I didn't do it...

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post Nov 25 2008, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(ericread @ Nov 25 2008, 06:33 PM) *

QUOTE(kconway @ Nov 25 2008, 06:28 PM) *

Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone's backing Jake and Len because someone has stole there patented work.

Whats the difference?


Hmmmmmmmmm..... I didn't do it...

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Actually, it is my belief that these manuals are out of print. By that, I mean that there are no new copies being printed, published or sold by Porsche at this time. Therefore, the copyright owner (Porsche) would experience no apparent damage through the public release of this information, regardless of the media in which it was released. Additionally, since these cars are ~35 years old, there are no "trade secrets" that would be disclosed by the release of these documents.

Therefore, I really don't see any possible damages to Porsche in this case. The difference in the Jake/Len situation is that the "intellectual art" perffected by Jake and Len is recent, and has current financial value.

However, the acquisition and reverse engineering of technology is pretty much an accepted practice in today's business world. If, in fact, Jake and Len do require each and every customer to sign a non-disclosure agreement prior to purchase, then release of this information would seem to be actionable by Jake and Len.

So I really don't see these two items as comparable in a significant way.

Just my $.02

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post Nov 25 2008, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(ericread @ Nov 25 2008, 07:11 PM) *

QUOTE(ericread @ Nov 25 2008, 06:33 PM) *

QUOTE(kconway @ Nov 25 2008, 06:28 PM) *

Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone's backing Jake and Len because someone has stole there patented work.

Whats the difference?


Hmmmmmmmmm..... I didn't do it...

Eric (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Actually, it is my belief that these manuals are out of print. By that, I mean that there are no new copies being printed, published or sold by Porsche at this time. Therefore, the copyright owner (Porsche) would experience no apparent damage through the public release of this information, regardless of the media in which it was released. Additionally, since these cars are ~35 years old, there are no "trade secrets" that would be disclosed by the release of these documents.

Therefore, I really don't see any possible damages to Porsche in this case. The difference in the Jake/Len situation is that the "intellectual art" perffected by Jake and Len is recent, and has current financial value.

However, the acquisition and reverse engineering of technology is pretty much an accepted practice in today's business world. If, in fact, Jake and Len do require each and every customer to sign a non-disclosure agreement prior to purchase, then release of this information would seem to be actionable by Jake and Len.

So I really don't see these two items as comparable in a significant way.

Just my $.02

Eric Read


You ask Porsche about that? I don't think they'd follow your reasoning. In fact, I'd bet on it .............. I've been on the receiving end of their "big stick". You don't wanna be there, trust me. Ask John Dunkle, former owner of a site from which all this came from. The Cap'n
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Nov 25 2008, 07:15 PM) *

QUOTE(ericread @ Nov 25 2008, 07:11 PM) *

QUOTE(ericread @ Nov 25 2008, 06:33 PM) *

QUOTE(kconway @ Nov 25 2008, 06:28 PM) *

Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone's backing Jake and Len because someone has stole there patented work.

Whats the difference?


Hmmmmmmmmm..... I didn't do it...

Eric (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Actually, it is my belief that these manuals are out of print. By that, I mean that there are no new copies being printed, published or sold by Porsche at this time. Therefore, the copyright owner (Porsche) would experience no apparent damage through the public release of this information, regardless of the media in which it was released. Additionally, since these cars are ~35 years old, there are no "trade secrets" that would be disclosed by the release of these documents.

Therefore, I really don't see any possible damages to Porsche in this case. The difference in the Jake/Len situation is that the "intellectual art" perffected by Jake and Len is recent, and has current financial value.

However, the acquisition and reverse engineering of technology is pretty much an accepted practice in today's business world. If, in fact, Jake and Len do require each and every customer to sign a non-disclosure agreement prior to purchase, then release of this information would seem to be actionable by Jake and Len.

So I really don't see these two items as comparable in a significant way.

Just my $.02

Eric Read


You ask Porsche about that? I don't think they'd follow your reasoning. In fact, I'd bet on it .............. I've been on the receiving end of their "big stick". You don't wanna be there, trust me. Ask John Dunkle, former owner of a site from which all this came from. The Cap'n


You may be right oh Krusty One, but the dissimination of documentation without material gain, of which has been discontinued by the original copyright holder, for the personal gain only of legal purchasers of the end product would seemingly be hard to prosecute. If this were being provided for material gain, or for use in selling one or more products for material gain, that would be an altogether different story.

Since March 1, 1989 copyright notice has been optional. Before that date, copyright notice was mandatory and a work published with no copyright notice risked loss of copyright protection if not corrected within a specified period of time. Since there is no indication of copyright notice or correction within these documents, and since this manual was created and published prior to March 1, 1989, there is no indication of copyright protection.

HOWEVER, the works were created in Germany and German law may be more protective or original authors. I guess if we see a cease and desist order from Porsche, we'll have a much better idea...

Again, only my $.02

Eric
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Stapler   914 Shop Manuals in PDF   Nov 25 2008, 12:46 PM
blitZ   I have a copy. It's 230mb, I'll try and po...   Nov 25 2008, 01:50 PM
ericread   :popcorn: That would be cool... Please let me kn...   Nov 25 2008, 02:06 PM
blitZ   Here ya go. 914 Manual   Nov 25 2008, 04:57 PM
CliffBraun   Here ya go. 914 Manual 404   Nov 25 2008, 05:22 PM
Stapler   Here ya go. [url=http://cindy.asmallorange.com/...   Nov 25 2008, 07:31 PM
Marty Yeoman   Error 404 Page not found.   Nov 25 2008, 05:39 PM
blitZ   Error 404 Page not found. oops, it's fixed...   Nov 25 2008, 06:00 PM
ericread   Outstanding :trophy: My thanks!!! ...   Nov 25 2008, 07:11 PM
kconway   Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone...   Nov 25 2008, 08:28 PM
ericread   Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone...   Nov 25 2008, 08:33 PM
ericread   Interesting thread. I few threads down everyone...   Nov 25 2008, 09:11 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='ericread' post='1105527' date='Nov 2...   Nov 25 2008, 09:15 PM
ericread   [quote name='ericread' post='1105527' date='Nov ...   Nov 25 2008, 10:04 PM
kconway   [quote name='ericread' post='1105527' date='Nov 2...   Nov 25 2008, 09:38 PM
Todd Enlund   I don't think copyright ever expires. You ca...   Nov 25 2008, 10:16 PM
CliffBraun   I don't think copyright ever expires. You c...   Nov 25 2008, 10:28 PM
CliffBraun   [quote name='ericread' post='1105527' date='Nov 2...   Nov 25 2008, 09:39 PM
rusty914   it's not working for me :confused:   Nov 25 2008, 08:51 PM
ericread   it's not working for me :confused: If you g...   Nov 25 2008, 09:13 PM
compostman   it's not working for me :confused: If you ...   Dec 10 2008, 12:20 PM
ConeDodger   [quote name='ericread' post='1105549' date='Nov 2...   Dec 10 2008, 01:13 PM
number6   it's not working for me :confused: Not work...   Dec 9 2008, 10:38 PM
kwales   So who is Stapler and what does he mean to those w...   Nov 25 2008, 09:28 PM
Chris Hamilton   Maybe these should at least be posted in the sandb...   Nov 25 2008, 09:29 PM
Spoke   I don't have to worry about copyrights because...   Nov 25 2008, 09:50 PM
rusty914   got it :D   Nov 25 2008, 10:04 PM
BRAVE_HELIOS   got it :D Please, please, please... anyone have ...   Dec 9 2008, 09:05 PM
blitZ   I'm going to delete the file tomorrow, so if y...   Nov 25 2008, 10:21 PM
CliffBraun   I'd also like to say thank you. I was gonna ha...   Nov 25 2008, 10:49 PM
Todd Enlund   Well, since Haynes and Pelican have both published...   Nov 25 2008, 11:28 PM
ericread   I originally downloaded the manual. Many thanks...   Nov 25 2008, 11:37 PM
Chevota79   Is it gone :(   Nov 26 2008, 09:53 AM
ThinAir   Is it gone :( Bummer! :headbang:   Nov 27 2008, 11:19 PM
CliffBraun   Is it gone :( Bummer! :headbang: See my ...   Nov 28 2008, 12:06 AM
E-Man   Can someone please e-mail it to emdugan@yahoo.com?...   Nov 26 2008, 11:18 AM
ellisor3   I gave up on it last night, had to get some sleep....   Nov 26 2008, 11:30 AM
Chevota79   Would a kind soul send it to Joshuaktaylor@yahoo.c...   Nov 26 2008, 11:42 AM
ericread   Keep in mind that it was on the order of a 230MB z...   Nov 26 2008, 01:10 PM
davep   Not many email systems will allow that large of a...   Nov 26 2008, 01:15 PM
ellisor3   Not many email systems will allow that large of ...   Nov 26 2008, 02:18 PM
CliffBraun   I may or may not be able to host this some(or no)w...   Nov 26 2008, 02:23 PM
Wilhelm   Check this site out: http://www.cannell.co.uk/Man...   Nov 28 2008, 01:25 AM
mojorisen914   I really need it too but here's my predicament...   Dec 9 2008, 09:36 PM
mojorisen914   UPDATE: My buddy Jim from Wyoming is bringing the...   Dec 9 2008, 09:49 PM
Slider   id be willing to host it on my server..let me know   Dec 9 2008, 09:50 PM
mojorisen914   Slider, If he forgets to bring his hard drive; I ...   Dec 9 2008, 10:01 PM
ConeDodger   Porsche does care. They charge a monthly fee to sh...   Dec 9 2008, 10:48 PM
bdstone914   Porsche does care. They charge a monthly fee to s...   Dec 9 2008, 11:59 PM
Todd Enlund   Very true. I have seen copies that were pulled fr...   Dec 10 2008, 11:09 AM
Slider   Then how do sites like http://pdftown.com/ get awa...   Dec 10 2008, 10:41 AM
BRAVE_HELIOS   Then how do sites like http://pdftown.com/ get aw...   Dec 10 2008, 10:58 AM
ConeDodger   Then how do sites like http://pdftown.com/ get aw...   Dec 10 2008, 11:16 AM
Slider   but anyone that goes to the site can download it w...   Dec 10 2008, 11:43 AM
ConeDodger   but anyone that goes to the site can download it ...   Dec 10 2008, 01:20 PM
dflesburg   So? I took the hard copies I had and donated the...   Dec 10 2008, 01:52 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Pelican lists the full manual set for $349. ...   Dec 10 2008, 02:47 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Eric Read said: "Since March 1, 1989 copyrig...   Dec 10 2008, 03:13 PM
ConeDodger   Eric Read said: "Since March 1, 1989 copyri...   Dec 10 2008, 04:39 PM
ericread   Eric Read said: "Since March 1, 1989 copyri...   Dec 10 2008, 09:09 PM
cantdrive55   I'm a newby looking for a bentley manual for ...   Jan 21 2009, 10:30 PM
type47   hmmmm.... never heard of a "Bentley" 914...   Jan 22 2009, 07:38 AM
cymaster007   So despite all of the copyright laws, is there any...   Jan 22 2009, 12:37 PM


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