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VaccaRabite
post Jan 21 2009, 10:52 PM
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And now, for our next contestant on the Question of Pain, with your host Swampyyyyy Bottoms!

Vacca Rabite, what sits about 735 feet above the sea, but is currently full of water?

Gee Swampy, lemme think about that one. Oh, I know. Is it "My House?"

Thats RIGHT! Jimbob, tell the poor sap what he's won!

Well Swampy, Mr Rabite has won a burst radiator. On the top floor of his house. Its been pumping out hot water at 20PSI for many hours now. He will get to enjoy water cascading beautifully out of all of his recessed light fixtures on the floor directly below his new burst radiator. He gets a new in house pool in his basement. He will also get to enjoy looking at new cracks in his ceiling and walls. All this sounds great, but there is more. Mr Rabite will get to spend the rest of the night pulling up sopping wet carpet and foam, while trying to stave off mold. And if you thought that was enough, just wait to hear what else he's won. Mr Rabite will get to replace his computer, DSLR, several lenses, his brand new HD video camera, and his cell phone. And last, but not least, he'll get to deal with insurance adjusters!

Jimbob, those are some great prizes. Vacca, what do you think of all the loot you get here tonight.

....... Um. This game show blows.

Whe-he-hell... Everybody come on back next week for another exciting edition of The Question of PAIN!

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post Feb 2 2009, 11:43 AM
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First off, here is my bias. I am property insurance adjuster. Before you all go and throw your used and broken 914 parts at me, lets talk a little. Not all insurance adjusters are evil and should be destroyed, just as all used car salesman do not wear plaid jackets and warranty their cars for 5 miles or 5 blocks, which ever comes first. I've been doing this for 20 yrs now, so I think I have a handle on the basics, although I do not work for USAA, so I can not comment specifically on how I think the coverage would/could/should apply in this case.

Assuming this is a fairly "standard" HO family of policy, or a usaa form similar to the ISO HO series, I would have a couple observations.

1- 99.9% of homeowners policies, for an owner occupied home, will have an additional living expense line of coverage. This is "triggered" when there is a covered loss which makes your home unfit to live in. Sounds like this is what we have going on here. If a person was to have stayed in a motel, those bills should be part of the covered loss. If your pets need a motel, same would apply. With my company, I have paid for pet boarding many times. I have also paid for time living at a friend or relatives home. But. This has been an agreed to, nominal fee per day, not the going rate for a holiday inn or similar lodging option. Your friend is not in the "business" of renting out rooms, and should not be paid as such, unless he wants to serve up his SS #, so any lodging fees paid to him would be considered taxable income. Usually more hassle than most folks want to go thru. but still, ask your adjuster about your additional living expense coverage.

2- Be careful of what you ask for. Again, I do not know what the coverages are that are provided by your policy, and I say this not to freak you or anyone else out, but damage does not always = coverage. In some of our lower priced, more limited policies, there is no or limited coverage for code upgrades, or mold, to pick 2 examples. There was a claim where an individual got way overheated, called in the health inspector for his county, the housing inspector, a mold testing firm, an independent appraiser, and a couple builders. He was going after his adjuster with all guns loaded. He identified damages such that the county would not let him live in the home until all the work was done. His policy had limits to the amount it could pay for the damages he identified. The individual would not accept this, and was looking to bulldoze his way to a better settlement. In the end, the adjuster correctly assessed the damages and paid the limit, the home owner created a giant project for the re-building, much of which had to come out of his pocket. The bad: he ran out of coverage well before he ran out of repairs. The good: he now had a total scope of repairs and costs for these repairs lined up. The ugly: he went after his agent claiming he was sold the wrong policy. I don't know how that ended. It was not my claim.

I have nothing against folks getting a 2nd or 3rd opinion on my scope of damage, but presentation is everything. Give me this info as something additional to my own observations and experience to consider, document why your thoughts are different from mine, and don't try to ram it down my neck as fact and the only claim resolution you will accept.

This brings me to my 3rd thought:

3- Work with your adjuster, not against him/her. You, like everyone else I deal with, has had, to one degree or another, an event in their lives that has turned things upside down. Things are not as they should be. As odd as this sounds, now is not the time to be demanding ME, ME, ME, but rather to be asking what can I do to make the adjusters job easier. Hear me out, here. Your adjuster may have 10-20 or more claims just like yours, all in different stages of done. Some may have just been reported, others needing the last check written, most are somewhere in the middle. Keeping all this organized with paper was a nightmare, and computers mean now there are more people able to look over your shoulder and "score" your work. Ask questions, try to understand the process, and help with it. Oddly enough, the folks who participate and help me round up the info needed to write checks, seem to get the checks sooner. Your computer is a great example. Rather than just tell the adjuster it was a 3 yr old dell whatever, you got the specs and prices for a matching replacement unit. My job just got easier, now I can write you a check rather than spend 1/2 an hour or more tracking down specs for a like kind and quality unit. We're working togather and you're getting paid sooner, getting back to normal sooner. Your adjuster has quality standards his file needs to stand up to for contact, returning calls, documentation of the file, and the sooner the two of you hit those marks, the faster your claim will be concluded.

4- Lastly, on a property claim such as this, its OK to cash the check. To many people lump ALL insurance checks into one category. In a liability claim, say I'm in your car, you are driving, and in showing off you smack us into a tree. I'm making a claim against your policy for my injuries. (thats an important sentence). Your insurance company has no contract (policy) with me, but they do owe me some money. They are going to want me to "sign off" on my claim, take their money, and go my merry way. That is different from your situation. Here you are making a claim against your policy for damages to your property, which your insurance company insures. (compare this to the last important sentence). You have a contract (policy) with your company, that says you pay them $$$ a yr, and when things go wrong, the contract (policy) will define how both parties will be affected. (coverage and payment or denial of coverage, depending on the cause of loss). If there are additional damages that are realized during the construction, or if the adjuster missed something, or did not price it correctly, the terms of the contract have not been met, your company would need to write you an additional check(s) until the terms of the agreement (policy) have been satisfied.

And, if you would like to discuss more, pm me your phone #, I'll be glad to help as I can.

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Vacca Rabite   Question Of Pain (OT)   Jan 21 2009, 10:52 PM
ericread   Shouldn't that be: "The Continuing Story...   Jan 21 2009, 10:56 PM
Dr Evil   Oh man, that sucks out loud! Do you need some ...   Jan 21 2009, 10:59 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :blink: So this is the family emergency you told m...   Jan 21 2009, 11:08 PM
Vacca Rabite   Mike, I'll be home tomorrow waiting for the in...   Jan 21 2009, 11:11 PM
Vacca Rabite   Yes, family is fine. This is just one of those th...   Jan 21 2009, 11:13 PM
6freak   :headbang: major bummer :headbang: if i was closer...   Jan 22 2009, 08:39 AM
Vacca Rabite   And so it begins. Insurance people are here and t...   Jan 22 2009, 11:44 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :blink: Hope all goes well. Sounds like they are m...   Jan 22 2009, 12:35 PM
jsayre914   :( Sorry to here that zach How can I help?   Jan 22 2009, 01:53 PM
SirAndy   Outsch! :huh:   Jan 22 2009, 02:36 PM
type47   this situation should remind people that a hot wat...   Jan 22 2009, 02:42 PM
SLKWrx   So sorry to hear about that! That truly is pa...   Jan 22 2009, 02:58 PM
jsayre914   Found a useful website... link : http://www.insp...   Jan 22 2009, 03:38 PM
rick 918-S   Get a good contractor! After the drying the re...   Jan 22 2009, 04:37 PM
scotty b   Holy crap Zach ! Really sorry to hear this man...   Jan 22 2009, 06:58 PM
Gint   Bawlz! That sucks...   Jan 22 2009, 08:58 PM
type11969   That sucks man! Let me know if there is anythi...   Jan 22 2009, 09:13 PM
Vacca Rabite   Okay, no interwebs at home for the moment, so here...   Jan 23 2009, 02:05 PM
jsayre914   wow, looks like the car will wait   Jan 23 2009, 02:35 PM
r_towle   Hi, A bit of experience with this here. PM if you ...   Jan 23 2009, 03:55 PM
stepuptotheMike   Hi, A bit of experience with this here. PM if you...   Jan 23 2009, 04:23 PM
Dr Evil   Zach, I can come over this weekend if you need som...   Jan 23 2009, 05:22 PM
Vacca Rabite   There is too much dust and noise at the house righ...   Jan 23 2009, 07:51 PM
scotty b   You gonna put the ceiling back to it's origina...   Jan 23 2009, 07:56 PM
Vacca Rabite   B)-->
QUOTE(scotty b @ J...   Jan 23 2009, 08:07 PM
r_towle   The wall with the window is all wet inside. All th...   Jan 23 2009, 07:59 PM
Mark Henry   Here to be code on those pot lights they need a sa...   Jan 23 2009, 08:07 PM
Vacca Rabite   Here to be code on those pot lights they need a s...   Jan 23 2009, 08:10 PM
r_towle   Good news on a strict code enforcement crew. Talk ...   Jan 23 2009, 08:27 PM
scotty b   Zach something no one has mentioned yet. PLEASE ma...   Jan 23 2009, 08:50 PM
championgt1   Bummer man! Everything will get fixed. I agree...   Jan 23 2009, 09:26 PM
cwpeden   Gee man thats got to suck at this time of year. T...   Jan 23 2009, 11:00 PM
plas76targa   Whoa Zach, no pun intended but that stinks! w...   Jan 24 2009, 06:00 AM
Jeffs9146   Something like this happened to me 4 years ago. I ...   Jan 24 2009, 01:35 PM
jimtab   Zach, sorry to hear about the trouble, here in SF ...   Jan 24 2009, 05:16 PM
r_towle   Zach, sorry to hear about the trouble, here in SF...   Jan 24 2009, 06:01 PM
Vacca Rabite   Zach, sorry to hear about the trouble, here in SF...   Jan 24 2009, 06:04 PM
jimtab   Zach, sorry to hear about the trouble, here in S...   Jan 24 2009, 06:59 PM
Vacca Rabite   Okay, I just talked to the guys from the disaster ...   Jan 25 2009, 11:21 AM
charliew   I'm no heated radiator expert but it seems lik...   Jan 25 2009, 11:54 AM
Vacca Rabite   So, yeah. Still not home. Most of the fans are o...   Jan 27 2009, 07:38 PM
Vacca Rabite   So, the wall is still in place, and the fans are s...   Jan 29 2009, 08:14 AM
So.Cal.914   I have been following your woes, I could not (and ...   Jan 29 2009, 08:50 AM
Dr Evil   :Qarl: :D :cheer: :toke: :trophy: Smile thro...   Jan 29 2009, 11:02 AM
Vacca Rabite   Okay, had a talk with USAA. They confirmed to me t...   Jan 29 2009, 11:56 AM
r_towle   Talk to the building inspector. Ask for his advice...   Jan 29 2009, 04:13 PM
Vacca Rabite   Wall is out, though they did not actually do that ...   Jan 30 2009, 07:47 PM
zymurgist   Holy crap Zach! I'm so sorry to hear abou...   Jan 31 2009, 10:29 AM
Vacca Rabite   So, we got a lot lf cleaning done today, and it lo...   Jan 31 2009, 09:31 PM
jhadler   Wow... That truly sucks... And I can TOTALLY empa...   Feb 2 2009, 12:30 AM
LarryR   Wow! Glad to see you are getting it put back t...   Feb 2 2009, 12:54 AM
Vacca Rabite   Wow! Glad to see you are getting it put back ...   Feb 2 2009, 09:24 AM
ottox914   First off, here is my bias. I am property insuran...   Feb 2 2009, 11:43 AM
Vacca Rabite   What else will happen this month? This morning my ...   Feb 13 2009, 08:48 AM
type11969   Zach, that licks! Sorry man. How many miles ar...   Feb 13 2009, 08:51 AM
Vacca Rabite   115K miles on the scooby. And, good news! It...   Feb 13 2009, 08:58 AM
type11969   Nice. I can only imagine that if we did an engine ...   Feb 13 2009, 09:00 AM
Vacca Rabite   Yeah, seriously. Sadly, shop said the plug damag...   Feb 13 2009, 11:22 AM
jsayre914   <_< sory to here bout your dd. Mine is still...   Feb 13 2009, 12:09 PM
Dr Evil   Lets swap it! I'll help. I wish the bus wa...   Feb 13 2009, 04:53 PM
type11969   that stinks, sorry man. How about a reverse swap? ...   Feb 13 2009, 04:59 PM
Vacca Rabite   I am *really* tempted to swap the engine. Especial...   Feb 13 2009, 06:33 PM
stepuptotheMike   Holy shit... the wife's scooby blew a head gas...   Feb 13 2009, 09:10 PM
Vacca Rabite   Well, I am feeling a bit better about things this ...   Feb 14 2009, 08:44 AM
charliew   I think 2k is a reasonable price to do 1 head repl...   Feb 14 2009, 12:12 PM
Vacca Rabite   Yeah, both heads have to come off. One needs to b...   Feb 14 2009, 12:26 PM
r_towle   so, how is the house? Rich   Mar 3 2009, 04:33 PM
Vacca Rabite   Same place it was a month ago. Torn apart, waitin...   Mar 3 2009, 06:46 PM


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