Patina, can a 914 "have" it, or isn't it old or valuable enough? Options

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

I see recently that a 1939 Talbot-Lago went for $4,847,000. Yes there were only a handful (less than 30) made, yes, the Talbot marque is much revered, yes, the car has racing history, and yes, it's a "survivor". But "no interior door trim", "leather seat stiff and cracked", "most instruments and controls fitted", "oxidized and chipped paint applied by brush in places" , and "there are crudely welded metal pieces..."

The reason for this preamble is to determine at what point a "survivor" needs to be restored and refinished, as opposed to leaving it alone and preseving its "patina", if a 914 can have such a thing.

It's been said that a car is original just once, and once it's redone, the direct link to its origins is lost forever, even if it's only a sympathetic repaint.

My '70/4, repainted by the only previous owner in 1973 after a disasterous hail storm, lost its originality staus then. Though the paint held up surprisingly well over the subsequent 30+ years, rust was becoming ever more evident on the lower extremities of the front fenders, around the door handles and the rollbar area. Not quite so evident to the casual observer, rust had also taken its toll in the usual 914 problem spots (hell hole, floor pan). No chance at preservation or patina with my car

I'd live with paint chips on the nose (proud evidence of road use), even door dings left by careless motorists (my blood runs hot at such wanton disregard), and moderately faded/scratched/crazed exterior paint would not, by itself, prompt me to repaint and restore. But blistering, rotting, eroding, corroding sheetmetal only hints at what evil deterioration lies beneath painted surfaces.

So, if it's rusted, I'd cut it out and refinish and repaint. If the metal was solid, straight and intact, I'd do all I could to keep the paint intact, preserving the originality and maintaining the "patina".

Finally, if anyone has a /4 or /6 with the aforementioned "patina", I'd like to see some photos and history. Thanks.


Paul

[scotty b]

But ..but.. but.. if a car is restored today, using todays materials, todays attention to detail ( given the proper restorer ) using todays components doesn't that make it a better car then it origianlly was ?

What is the big deal with " patina " anyways? A kubelwagen went through WW2 and has bullet holes. Cool I'd leave it like that. That is REAL history. Another Kubel lived its life on the streets of Amsterdam, got shipped to Sao Paolo, then ended up in the U.S. It is now tired and haggard, full of dents and dings BUT IT HAS IT'S ORIGINAL PAINT !!!.... woo fuching hoo. It looks like poo. But it has a story to tell....Um no it doesn't. It's owners do. The Kubel needs to be restored otherwise your driving a beat P.O.S. that has real value and unless restored will continue to deteriorate.



Then again, what do I know? I'm the prick that powder coats his suspension components (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[Pat Garvey]

But ..but.. but.. if a car is restored today, using todays materials, todays attention to detail ( given the proper restorer ) using todays components doesn't that make it a better car then it origianlly was ?

What is the big deal with " patina " anyways? A kubelwagen went through WW2 and has bullet holes. Cool I'd leave it like that. That is REAL history. Another Kubel lived its life on the streets of Amsterdam, got shipped to Sao Paolo, then ended up in the U.S. It is now tired and haggard, full of dents and dings BUT IT HAS IT'S ORIGINAL PAINT !!!.... woo fuching hoo. It looks like poo. But it has a story to tell....Um no it doesn't. It's owners do. The Kubel needs to be restored otherwise your driving a beat P.O.S. that has real value and unless restored will continue to deteriorate.



Then again, what do I know? I'm the prick that powder coats his suspension components (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

And, this is exactly why you will rot in hell! That isn't an upgrade on "original" finishes! In fact, it's a detriment.

Doesn't come close to the original finish. Doesn't take stones well (chip versus a booger). Difficult to remove to get a "proper" finish.

Geez! Haven't you guys ever heard of primer & paint?

Sorry, you KNOW this is a sore point with me. No excuse for using it - period!


I KNOW Scotty B is trying to get me "animated", and it won't be difficult. But he'll have to do better!