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Wut Color to Paint it?, ...a Tale of 4 Colors.... |
Tom_T |
Apr 21 2009, 11:02 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Okay Originality experts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) - I'm going to just ask some K.I.S.S. single topic questions to solicit your guidance on this, cuz my overly complicated posts just aren't workin'!
This question is how should I paint her, after I get everything repaired & rust issues resolved, given that.... I'm not a CW guy nor looking to make my 914 one, but just a true to original/OE & nice occasional driver, such that I maximize both it's current & long term value, as well as long term survivability. I now know that my 1973 914-2.0 both has matching GA engine numbers & possibly tranny too (but probably not the latter) per the COA & car's numbers that I can read. It's an early 73 2L - built 9/72, VIN 4732901954 & Engine GA000424. Per the under carpet/other "hidden" areas + COA - it's originally a L80E "Light Ivory/11" (white - blah! for my personal tastes) paint color. ON the other hand & curiously, the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) COA says its a "Black Leatherette/31" - when it's CLEARLY a TAN with matching loop/pile carpet !! ...although the L&R door armrest TOPS & Dash etc. are Black !? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) The interior is pretty good condition OE that will clean up well - with the exception of a 2" x 3" tear on the driver seat side bolster & 2 small 1/2" & 1" tears on the passenger seat side bolster & pass. side door top bolster underside (can find matching leatherette to sew-in those sections), a crack in the middle of the dash (new since stored), leather on steering wheel needs AM recovering kit (easy), & missing L&R OE carpet floor mat sections (easy to remedy with nice embroidered aftermarket carpet mats & hunt for OE replacements under that). It has some moderate body F&R body-face panels & surrounding sheet metal work to be done - so it's NOT an accident free example, nor is it a low milage "garage/trailer maven" at 174k indicated & perhaps up to 190k true counting short periods to get speedo/odo. cables fixed over the time I owned it since 12/26/75. Pix are posted at: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...93838&st=60 However, when I bought the car just over 3 years after first sold, it was what looked like a 3 year old Tan or Gold paint color - perhaps a first buyer or dealer initiated "Dealer Repaint" at the time of first sale on 11/9/72! Because of the early aging of the Tan/Gold paint, I had it repainted to Copper Metallic/L99K in 8/76, then again in 5/80 I repaired some small rust bubbles & repainted it to the 911/930 Anthracite Grey Metallic/#??. I know - BAD me!!!! ...at least I was smart enough to go for a `73 2L, instead of a "purdy new" but slower 76 2L! Notwithstanding the above - if I had bought a 73 914 new MYSELF, then I would've probably ordered either Marathon Blue Metallic/L96M or Alaska Blue Metallic/L96B or another Porsche or custom color match in a Blue Metallic/L99-98 -- get my (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) BLU drift!? To Summarize - An early 73 914-2.0 / "914S" with a strong running matching numbers GA 2L, a reasonably nice OE Tan Interior, but with some rust bubbles & 3"x6" RF Floor Pan Rust & Body Damage F&R to repair, & 170-190k miles.... ...so how much should I fret researching stuff & putter her back to "absolute original" ? .....versus just making ME happy with how I wudda ordered the car myself??? AND So the Color Questions: Should I only consider going back to the factory L80E? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ...or... Should I research whether the Tan/Gold was a Dealer Repaint & the way it "drove off the dealer's lot" ....& repaint to that?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) In other words - should I even waste time trying to track this 1st color change down? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ...or... Should I just pick an appropriate 1973 Blue Metallic choice above, as I would have done putting out the "full ticket" new car price??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Here are some pix for your perusal & "viewing pleasure".... A TALE OF 4 COLORS AS RE-PAINTED FROM BEHIND REAR BUMPER - ANTHRACITE GREY METALLIC OVER COPPER METALLIC OVER A TAN OR GOLD (METALLIC?) OVER THE INITIAL WHITE: |
MDG |
Apr 22 2009, 05:36 AM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
Hi Tom, I'll have to take a moment (or several) to read through all you've written but one thing jumped out at me; the COA stating Light Ivory 11. While technically correct it should read Light Ivory L80E. 11 is the Porsche code number that would be on a 911; L80E is the proper VW code for a 914. Light Ivory has been around since the 356 days. (still is only now it's called Campanella White by VW)
I'd go back to them and tell them to get it right - if they can. Bring up the obvious interior color error; that they have written the paint code in wrong etc.. What does the Karmann plate have for a color code? The biege in your pic could be one of the factory spec colours - Sahara Biege or Grey-Beige. And it's not unheard of for someone who buys a a car, say late in the summer when the next year's model are coming out, when the pickings are slim as to color choice. They take advantage of end of season sell-offs but choices are limited to what is available. My first 914 purchased in 1983 from the original owner was Marathon blue; the lady lived accross the street and I remember the day she brought it home. 10 years later when I bought the car I discovered the original paint code for Sunflower yellow; I asked her about it - the yellow was the last '73 on the lot; loved the car, not so much on the yellow, sat down with the color deck and picked Marathon Blue. Car was disassembled and repainted before she ever drove it. m. |
Pat Garvey |
Apr 22 2009, 06:45 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
Hi Tom, I'll have to take a moment (or several) to read through all you've written but one thing jumped out at me; the COA stating Light Ivory 11. While technically correct it should read Light Ivory L80E. 11 is the Porsche code number that would be on a 911; L80E is the proper VW code for a 914. Light Ivory has been around since the 356 days. (still is only now it's called Campanella White by VW) I'd go back to them and tell them to get it right - if they can. Bring up the obvious interior color error; that they have written the paint code in wrong etc.. What does the Karmann plate have for a color code? The biege in your pic could be one of the factory spec colours - Sahara Biege or Grey-Beige. And it's not unheard of for someone who buys a a car, say late in the summer when the next year's model are coming out, when the pickings are slim as to color choice. They take advantage of end of season sell-offs but choices are limited to what is available. My first 914 purchased in 1983 from the original owner was Marathon blue; the lady lived accross the street and I remember the day she brought it home. 10 years later when I bought the car I discovered the original paint code for Sunflower yellow; I asked her about it - the yellow was the last '73 on the lot; loved the car, not so much on the yellow, sat down with the color deck and picked Marathon Blue. Car was disassembled and repainted before she ever drove it. m. Hmmm "not uheard of...". Yep, it is. I've never heard of this scenario in the early 70's. You didn't have to wait more than 2 months for the colors you wanted. Four months if you wanted it paint to sample. I know of someone who wanted his 914 painted Smyrna Green. Goot it 3 months later. The lady you metioned Had to pay a fortune to change color. Makes me wonder. Pat |
MDG |
Apr 22 2009, 07:10 PM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
Hmmm "not uheard of...". Yep, it is. I've never heard of this scenario in the early 70's. You didn't have to wait more than 2 months for the colors you wanted. Four months if you wanted it paint to sample. I know of someone who wanted his 914 painted Smyrna Green. Goot it 3 months later. The lady you metioned Had to pay a fortune to change color. Makes me wonder. Pat Really Pat? You've never heard of dealerships selling off last years model, sometimes at significant savings, come August/September to make room for the new MY rolling in? Wow, it's different down there. Still goes on here every year. Problem is of course, to take advantage of those savings, well you get what they have as far as options, colours etc. It is a sell-off after all. You'd obviously be shocked to talk to body shops who make a nice buck doing colour changes on brand new cars come fall. It's pretty common stuff really for say one of the rich rice burner kids to pick up his brand new whatever, for say $30k, drive it to my brothers shop, pay him another $20-$30k to have him do a complete, then drive it to the tuners shop, drop another $$$$$ to get it the way he wants. THEN he has the car he wanted in the first place. Crazy? You'd better believe it. Unheard of? Hardly. Paul, my brother, has done it on Jags, Porsches, BMWs, Mercedes . . . people with the dough will pay for what they want. Someone, somewhere is doing it right now. The only areas left on my old '73 that still showed sunflower yellow was behind the back pad and the floor under the carpet; everything else - trunks, tank area and engine compartment, had been changed to Marathon Blue and I've known that car since the day she drove it home. Go figure. |
Tom_T |
Apr 22 2009, 07:45 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
[quote name='MDG' date='Apr 22 2009, 06:10 PM' post='1161090']
[quote name='Pat Garvey' post='1161066' date='Apr 22 2009, 08:45 PM'] It's pretty common stuff really for say one of the rich rice burner kids to pick up his brand new whatever, for say $30k, drive it to my brothers shop, pay him another $20-$30k to have him do a complete, then drive it to the tuners shop, drop another $$$$$ to get it the way he wants. THEN he has the car he wanted in the first place. Crazy? You'd better believe it. [/quote] (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) ...I don't understand why they don't just but a good Porsche or Bmr or something with that $60-100k!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) |
dw914er |
Apr 24 2009, 04:07 PM
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Planning Cities Group: Members Posts: 2,364 Joined: 1-March 08 From: Yucaipa, CA Member No.: 8,763 Region Association: Southern California |
[quote name='Tom_T' date='Apr 22 2009, 06:45 PM' post='1161139']
[quote name='MDG' date='Apr 22 2009, 06:10 PM' post='1161090'] [quote name='Pat Garvey' post='1161066' date='Apr 22 2009, 08:45 PM'] It's pretty common stuff really for say one of the rich rice burner kids to pick up his brand new whatever, for say $30k, drive it to my brothers shop, pay him another $20-$30k to have him do a complete, then drive it to the tuners shop, drop another $$$$$ to get it the way he wants. THEN he has the car he wanted in the first place. Crazy? You'd better believe it. [/quote] (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) ...I don't understand why they don't just but a good Porsche or Bmr or something with that $60-100k!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) [/quote] It's because the car will be the 'sex'. If I had money, I would have gotten a brand new Subaru STI or Evo and modded it to be an even faster and cleaner car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) basically, to each his own as for the car, I didnt read the entire text, but from what I gathered, paint the car in the color you want. If its done clean it will show. It may not have the same value as the concours car, but its always about personal preference. The blue will look good (though a white 914 is also a very attractive car in my opinion) as for the interior, not sure if you mentioned this, but are you positive its original? It could have been black (not sure if the white ivory had a black interior) or the COA is off. |
MDG |
Apr 24 2009, 05:17 PM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
It's because the car will be the 'sex'. If I had money, I would have gotten a brand new Subaru STI or Evo and modded it to be an even faster and cleaner car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) basically, to each his own Lots of people do it and people with money to burn do it without hesitation. To that mind-set it's no different than buying a suit or sport jacket and then taking it to a tailor to make it just the way you want. I don't own a suit or jacket that hasn't been tailored to me. However that wasn't the case with my 914 although the woman (read: her husband) could certainly afford it; the first 300SL Gullwing I ever saw was his. She bought an end of the year '73 - and couldn't get the colour she wanted without ordering a new '74. The car in question was a fully optioned 2.0 and she loved it so she bought it. And then had it painted the colour she liked best. And I'll tell you, the re-paint was perfect. No idea if it was done at the dealer (doubtful) or she took it to a shop. Whoever did it knew what they were doing. |
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