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post Jun 28 2009, 02:45 PM
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Started my '70 tail shifter this morning, attempted to engage reverse and heardf/felt a horrible grind (kind of like the clutch pedal was not depressed, but it was). Quickly returned to neutral and tried again. I engaged reverse OK and backed out of the garage. But I heard a grinding/growling noise while moving and felt the sensation of something restricting movement (like brake on, but it wasnt'). Moved it back and forth in the driveway in all gears. It makes the same noise in all 5 forward gears as soon as I release the clutch. Reverse now seems almost OK.

Where do I start? Could it be a linkage issue (the front two bushings were new a few months ago)? It shifts smoothly when clutch pedal is depressed. Is something broken in the tranny? All opinions welcome.
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post Jun 28 2009, 05:21 PM
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I first tightened the clutch adjustment nut as I had recently loosened it a bit. Then wiggled the fork. All seemed OK. Started car and shifted to reverse. Shifts fine, no grind. As soon as I begin to engage the clutch I hear the growl/grind. Backed out of garage. Shifted to first with ease, same noise when I engage the clutch. It truly feels like the transmission is fighting itself, sort of locked up. Car will move but not well and it sounds terrible.

I drained it and got nothing but very clean gear oil. Very little on the magnet and no sign of brass or other shavings in the oil. I should report that last August when I got the car I changed the gear oil (It was very low). I have only driven the car about 100 miles since so the oil is near virgin. During the 100 miles the clutch/tranny were fine. The car sat all winter as it needed engine trouble shooting and push rod seal replacement. Just finished all that and only drove it a few miles before today's experience.

Thanks, and keep the ideas coming.
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post Jun 28 2009, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(Porsche Rescue @ Jun 28 2009, 07:21 PM) *

As soon as I begin to engage the clutch I hear the growl/grind. Backed out of garage. Shifted to first with ease, same noise when I engage the clutch.


You did not mention the fact that you get the noise when you engage the clutch before.

When you get the noise as you are trying to get it in gear, it usually indicates the clutch is not fully disengaging, or a synchronizer problem. When you get the noise as you are engaging the clutch it usually indicates the clutch itself has a problem.

This is pointing to the clutch itself, it might be coming apart. How many miles on the clutch. Any clutch work done recently?
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Porsche Rescue   Need transmission problem diagnosis...   Jun 28 2009, 02:45 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Jack it up, put it on stands, loosen the fill plug...   Jun 28 2009, 03:22 PM
Dr Evil   Sounds like you have a clutch tube or other clutch...   Jun 28 2009, 03:40 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Sounds like you have a clutch tube or other clutc...   Jun 28 2009, 04:56 PM
Dr Evil   Sounds like you have a clutch tube or other clut...   Jun 28 2009, 06:01 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='Cap'n Krusty' post='1186428' dat...   Jun 28 2009, 08:54 PM
J P Stein   Sorry, Doc, I'm callin' it like I see it...   Jun 28 2009, 09:13 PM
Dr Evil   Sorry, Doc, I'm callin' it like I see i...   Jun 28 2009, 09:54 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='J P Stein' post='1186504' date='Jun ...   Jun 28 2009, 10:24 PM
Porsche Rescue   I first tightened the clutch adjustment nut as I h...   Jun 28 2009, 05:21 PM
Jacob   As soon as I begin to engage the clutch I hear t...   Jun 28 2009, 05:39 PM
Cap'n Krusty   As soon as I begin to engage the clutch I hear ...   Jun 28 2009, 08:04 PM
Porsche Rescue   Not sure of clutch age. Major engine work about 5K...   Jun 28 2009, 05:52 PM
Dr Evil   Not sure of clutch age. Major engine work about 5...   Jun 28 2009, 06:05 PM
Porsche Rescue   Thanks Dr. I have a second confirming opinion from...   Jun 28 2009, 06:08 PM
J P Stein   I have a good (2 actually but one is NFS) intermed...   Jun 28 2009, 06:51 PM
Porsche Rescue   Ok, but can someone tell me if the "guts...   Jun 28 2009, 09:51 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Ok, but can someone tell me if the "guts...   Jun 28 2009, 10:07 PM
Porsche Rescue   Thank you Cap'n. Sounds like I need to repair ...   Jun 28 2009, 10:16 PM
Dr Evil   Thank you Cap'n. Sounds like I need to repair...   Jun 28 2009, 10:32 PM
RobW   C'mon you guys :hugme:   Jun 28 2009, 10:29 PM
Porsche Rescue   OK, now what? While in the process of removing the...   Jul 2 2009, 09:53 AM
Dr Evil   How it acts under hand torque is completely differ...   Jul 2 2009, 10:42 AM
J P Stein   Tore appart Jim's trans this afternoon. The gu...   Jul 9 2009, 09:02 PM
Dr Evil   That is the problem with doing diagnosis over the ...   Jul 9 2009, 09:21 PM
J P Stein   Everything I can see looks very nice & turns s...   Jul 9 2009, 09:51 PM
Jax914   pilot bearing in the flywheel?   Jul 10 2009, 12:52 PM
Porsche Rescue   Pilot bearing feels good to the pinky finger, look...   Jul 10 2009, 01:08 PM
kwales   You sure it's not the throwout bearing??? I...   Jul 10 2009, 04:13 PM
Porsche Rescue   TO bearing is smooth and quiet in my hand and in t...   Jul 10 2009, 06:12 PM
Dr Evil   Has your flywheel been resurfaced before? If the s...   Jul 11 2009, 10:52 AM
kwales   Ok, let's think this through. Tranny is out o...   Jul 11 2009, 11:51 AM
Porsche Rescue   Growling noise only when tranny in gear (any gear)...   Jul 11 2009, 12:03 PM
kwales   Well, does it growl when the clutch pedal is in an...   Jul 11 2009, 10:24 PM
Porsche Rescue   No noise when in gear with the clutch "in...   Jul 12 2009, 09:27 AM
kwales   I'm gonna put on my Patent Law and my engineer...   Jul 12 2009, 10:58 AM
Porsche Rescue   Noise begins with first clutch contact with flywhe...   Jul 12 2009, 11:05 AM
Porsche Rescue   Here are some pics. One theory is that the center ...   Jul 12 2009, 11:08 AM
kwales   Looks glazed to me. The clutch disk is a two piece...   Jul 12 2009, 11:22 AM
Bleyseng   use the 6 spring clutch disc for a early 911, yes ...   Jul 12 2009, 12:19 PM


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