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> 2.7 CIS to Carbs - how much HP loss?
Scott S
post Jul 2 2009, 03:15 PM
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Hi All -
Got a line on a rebuilt 2.7 out of a 1977 911S. It is 100% complete including the full CIS system. What kind of power loss would I experience if I stripped off the CIS and went with carbs? The motor is only 165hp to begin with...

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post Jul 4 2009, 11:44 AM
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Just want to throw this out there - since the title says how much HP loss.
It's my belief an engine will make the same power on any non forced-induction system providing it is tuned to take full advantage of the air/fuel mixture provided. I realize the path that the air/fuel take to enter, and the point(s) at which it enters also make a factor in detination within the cylinder.
So what are we really talking about here ?
Camshafts - provide the amount of intake (fuel and air) and how well the cylinder is evacuated (exhaust) - so a CIS engine has lower lift ? shorter duration ? (looking for comparison information).
CIS - mechanical fuel injection that is not direct-port that will take aproximately the same path to the cylinders except for within the assemply itself (right?)
Carb(s) - The main advantage to be had is the more direct path, thus "getting a good run at it" and the ability to easily change the air/fuel mixture ?
Fuel Pressure / Pumps - Carb(s) take less pressure to run, hence need a return mechanism to return the unused fuel. Wouldn't the supply be a bit more dependable on injected vehicles ?
Pistons (compression ratio) should be matched to the camshafts providing they don't hit the valves.
I had a 2.0 carb'd car (delorto) and now run a 3.0 CIS. A daily run will take me over 4000+ foot change in elevation at high altitude - From 5000 to 9000 feet does a carb display that much difference (mine didn't - it ran great)? Between the two I would take CIS because I don't get the fuel smell though it doesn't have the great looks you can get from carbs.
Sorry - I rambled - I swear it was my keyboard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif)
To summarize - are you all saying there is more horsepower from carbs only if the cams are changed or simply because of one of the above other factors ? (I.E. what is the total package?) I don't believe just changing the top end would increase horsepower unless you are saying the CIS is not providing enough fuel/air for the engine to begin with.
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Scott Schroeder   2.7 CIS to Carbs - how much HP loss?   Jul 2 2009, 03:15 PM
brant   Scott, I heard about that motor seemed like a re...   Jul 2 2009, 03:20 PM
Cupomeat   I cannot support the following with empirical evid...   Jul 2 2009, 03:21 PM
turboman808   From what I have seen on graphs you get peaks and ...   Jul 2 2009, 03:46 PM
carr914   I would think that you would H.P. & Torque wit...   Jul 2 2009, 04:43 PM
9146986   Why not just keep the CIS?   Jul 2 2009, 10:11 PM
pcar916   When I bought my car it had a 2.7L motor built up ...   Jul 2 2009, 11:13 PM
GeorgeRud   If you don't have it, I would get Bruce Anders...   Jul 2 2009, 11:29 PM
ahdoman   If the CIS is intact and working stick with it. Yo...   Jul 3 2009, 12:10 AM
carr914   When I bought my car it had a 2.7L motor built up...   Jul 3 2009, 06:15 AM
pcar916   [quote name='pcar916' post='1188039' date='Jul 3 ...   Jul 3 2009, 07:45 AM
Project 6   Wayne at Pelican claims to have installed a CIS mo...   Jul 3 2009, 07:50 AM
J P Stein   I know a few folks that run Webers on an otherwise...   Jul 3 2009, 08:51 AM
Gint   I'd probably just use the CIS. But if you buy...   Jul 3 2009, 08:53 AM
scotty   I know a few folks that run Webers on an otherwis...   Jul 3 2009, 10:28 AM
naro914   I have a 2.7 in Huey at the moment, with Webers. I...   Jul 4 2009, 10:56 AM
Mountain914   Just want to throw this out there - since the titl...   Jul 4 2009, 11:44 AM
J P Stein   Just want to throw this out there - since the tit...   Jul 4 2009, 01:38 PM
ArtechnikA   A good illustration of the possibilities of the 2...   Jul 4 2009, 02:02 PM
J P Stein   A good illustration of the possibilities of the ...   Jul 4 2009, 04:02 PM
ArtechnikA   Yeah,yeah, some folks go all gaga over the MFI se...   Jul 4 2009, 05:31 PM
naro914   This is a good discussion.... I have carbs. I lik...   Jul 4 2009, 04:14 PM
J P Stein   This is a good discussion.... I have carbs. I li...   Jul 4 2009, 07:12 PM
9146986   As long as the carbs are optimized for the engine,...   Jul 5 2009, 11:18 AM


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