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post Jun 28 2009, 02:45 PM
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Started my '70 tail shifter this morning, attempted to engage reverse and heardf/felt a horrible grind (kind of like the clutch pedal was not depressed, but it was). Quickly returned to neutral and tried again. I engaged reverse OK and backed out of the garage. But I heard a grinding/growling noise while moving and felt the sensation of something restricting movement (like brake on, but it wasnt'). Moved it back and forth in the driveway in all gears. It makes the same noise in all 5 forward gears as soon as I release the clutch. Reverse now seems almost OK.

Where do I start? Could it be a linkage issue (the front two bushings were new a few months ago)? It shifts smoothly when clutch pedal is depressed. Is something broken in the tranny? All opinions welcome.
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post Jul 11 2009, 11:51 AM
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Ok, let's think this through.

Tranny is out of gear and clutch pedal is released. At this point the clutch disk is compressed into locked engagement with the flywheel by the pressure plate. This causes the maishaft and attached gears in the tranny to spin at the same speed as the engine. The mainshaft gears spin the unengaged gears on the secondary pinion shaft without spinning the pinion shaft.

Push in the clutch and the throwout bearing engages the pressure plate. This moves the pressure plate away from the flywheel and disengages the clutch disk from the flywheel, pressure plate ,and rotating engine. At this time, the mainshaft in the tranny is disengaged from the rotating engine and can stop rotating. But one end of the stopped main shaft is rotatingly engaged with the shaft bearing in the flywheel.

Now you engage a gear and let out on the clutch and the growling noise happens. Is it ONLY when the tranny is in gear? Does it ever occur when the tranny is not in gear?

When you engage a gear and let out on the clutch, the pressure plate begins compressing the clutch disk between the rotating flywheel and the non-rotating pressure plate. At this point, the clutch disk slips to bring the non-rotating mainshaft and tranny up to engine rotation speed. Once the pressure plate is fully released, the clutch disk should be locked to the flywheel. That is, spinning with the flywheel and it shouldn't slip. In the tranny, the main shaft should be spinnining at engine speed and the engaged gears should be spinning the pinion shaft at a speed related to the selected pair of engaged gears (gears 1-5). At this point the ring gear in the differential is engaged with the pinion and should spin the axles.

I see two things, if the emergency brake is stronger than the clutch and locks the intermediate shaft so the clutch disk spins, the clutch disk and pressure plate are toast.

Next, I'd look at whatever is connected to the pinion shaft. Why? because whenever the pinion shaft is engaged to the intermediate shaft, the noise happens.

Which brings up a question- gone into the differential yet? Rings and pinions growl and whine when going, and the bearings in the differential that support the axle plates could be the culprits. Hows about the spider gears?
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Porsche Rescue   Need transmission problem diagnosis...   Jun 28 2009, 02:45 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Jack it up, put it on stands, loosen the fill plug...   Jun 28 2009, 03:22 PM
Dr Evil   Sounds like you have a clutch tube or other clutch...   Jun 28 2009, 03:40 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Sounds like you have a clutch tube or other clutc...   Jun 28 2009, 04:56 PM
Dr Evil   Sounds like you have a clutch tube or other clut...   Jun 28 2009, 06:01 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='Cap'n Krusty' post='1186428' dat...   Jun 28 2009, 08:54 PM
J P Stein   Sorry, Doc, I'm callin' it like I see it...   Jun 28 2009, 09:13 PM
Dr Evil   Sorry, Doc, I'm callin' it like I see i...   Jun 28 2009, 09:54 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='J P Stein' post='1186504' date='Jun ...   Jun 28 2009, 10:24 PM
Porsche Rescue   I first tightened the clutch adjustment nut as I h...   Jun 28 2009, 05:21 PM
Jacob   As soon as I begin to engage the clutch I hear t...   Jun 28 2009, 05:39 PM
Cap'n Krusty   As soon as I begin to engage the clutch I hear ...   Jun 28 2009, 08:04 PM
Porsche Rescue   Not sure of clutch age. Major engine work about 5K...   Jun 28 2009, 05:52 PM
Dr Evil   Not sure of clutch age. Major engine work about 5...   Jun 28 2009, 06:05 PM
Porsche Rescue   Thanks Dr. I have a second confirming opinion from...   Jun 28 2009, 06:08 PM
J P Stein   I have a good (2 actually but one is NFS) intermed...   Jun 28 2009, 06:51 PM
Porsche Rescue   Ok, but can someone tell me if the "guts...   Jun 28 2009, 09:51 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Ok, but can someone tell me if the "guts...   Jun 28 2009, 10:07 PM
Porsche Rescue   Thank you Cap'n. Sounds like I need to repair ...   Jun 28 2009, 10:16 PM
Dr Evil   Thank you Cap'n. Sounds like I need to repair...   Jun 28 2009, 10:32 PM
RobW   C'mon you guys :hugme:   Jun 28 2009, 10:29 PM
Porsche Rescue   OK, now what? While in the process of removing the...   Jul 2 2009, 09:53 AM
Dr Evil   How it acts under hand torque is completely differ...   Jul 2 2009, 10:42 AM
J P Stein   Tore appart Jim's trans this afternoon. The gu...   Jul 9 2009, 09:02 PM
Dr Evil   That is the problem with doing diagnosis over the ...   Jul 9 2009, 09:21 PM
J P Stein   Everything I can see looks very nice & turns s...   Jul 9 2009, 09:51 PM
Jax914   pilot bearing in the flywheel?   Jul 10 2009, 12:52 PM
Porsche Rescue   Pilot bearing feels good to the pinky finger, look...   Jul 10 2009, 01:08 PM
kwales   You sure it's not the throwout bearing??? I...   Jul 10 2009, 04:13 PM
Porsche Rescue   TO bearing is smooth and quiet in my hand and in t...   Jul 10 2009, 06:12 PM
Dr Evil   Has your flywheel been resurfaced before? If the s...   Jul 11 2009, 10:52 AM
kwales   Ok, let's think this through. Tranny is out o...   Jul 11 2009, 11:51 AM
Porsche Rescue   Growling noise only when tranny in gear (any gear)...   Jul 11 2009, 12:03 PM
kwales   Well, does it growl when the clutch pedal is in an...   Jul 11 2009, 10:24 PM
Porsche Rescue   No noise when in gear with the clutch "in...   Jul 12 2009, 09:27 AM
kwales   I'm gonna put on my Patent Law and my engineer...   Jul 12 2009, 10:58 AM
Porsche Rescue   Noise begins with first clutch contact with flywhe...   Jul 12 2009, 11:05 AM
Porsche Rescue   Here are some pics. One theory is that the center ...   Jul 12 2009, 11:08 AM
kwales   Looks glazed to me. The clutch disk is a two piece...   Jul 12 2009, 11:22 AM
Bleyseng   use the 6 spring clutch disc for a early 911, yes ...   Jul 12 2009, 12:19 PM


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