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> Any Info on this Ebay Motor builder schantzmd, Good or Bad for the $$$$ Reliability?
Ga Dan
post Jul 21 2009, 02:40 AM
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I am trying to see if anyone may know this engine builder schantzmd. If you know of this builder, how does this engine compare to the Raby 2270 engines? Dont get me wrong, I would love a Raby turnkey 2270 or maybe a kit, but both are out of my reach when all is said and done. With this being a turnkey and everything set up to run would this be a decent engine and reliable? Just not as much power as Jakes Massive type 4s. I could except less power if I could get a turnkey like this if it is reliable and still has more than stock (stated in the ad - built for 150Hp)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...em=370201454753
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post Jul 21 2009, 09:00 AM
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The parts to comprise one of my MassIVe engines cost the same as what the buy it now is on this Ebay engine....

You will get exactly what you pay for. Spend it now or spend it later, either way its going to be spent.

There is no comparison between this engine and anything that has my name on it. Period.

Here are some reasons why you should quiz this seller more before buying this engine... These things were noted while I did a quick scan of the description of the engine..If I wanted to pick the description apart, he gave me some good ammo.. Here are the highlights.

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The idle RPM and ignition timing settings are currently set @ ~900 RPM & ~39° BTC.

What the hell is that?? Is this engine running 39 degrees of advance? What is BTC?
If it is running 39* and optimizes there, that SCREAMS inefficiency! If I build a pump gas engine that optimizes with more than 32* of timing I consider the engine design a failure.

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It can also be used in ALL late model Porsche 912Es

How can a vehicle have a "late model" when its one year only??

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Parts Build List:

New 104mm AA Hypertuenic Aluminum P/Cs, ~9:1 CR

What the hell are those??? Never heard that term before.

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Scat C35 Grind 285 duration, .498 Int, .501 Ex lift Camshaft and Solid reground German Lifters

A new cam with reground lifters?? Thats going to work really well, especially if the lifters were not re heat treated after regrinding! The stock heat treat on the lifters is only .003 deep and any resurfacing will break through it based on my previous experiences.

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Rebuilt and Polished VW 009 2.0 Distributor

Wow! Its been polished!

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If nothing else I'll take some more pics of the engine so you can at least see how great it looks


I am sure it looks GRRRREEEEAAAATTTT!

Anyone who doesn't know the proper terms of the components used in an engine probably shouldn't be assembling it... If he set the timing to 39* with a 009 dizzy with the advertised 9:1 CR this engine's life span will be measured in minutes!

And now for my favorite part :-)
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As the graph below shows this 2.4L engine was built for 150Hp @ 5250 RPM and 175 ft-lbs of Torque @ 3750 RPM which as you can tell far surpasses even the 914-6 2.0 (See Graph below for Hp and Torque Curves based on engine build data specs).

So..... This is an assumption of the power this engine is going to make based off of it's "data specs"??? So in other words the engine has NOT been individually evaluated for it's performance and efficency evaluations.

You are trying to compare an engine that was built by someone "between classes" to an engine thats designed, assembled and evaluated by a team of highly motivated developers that are known world wide for unparalleled attention to detail and over achievement with anything they do... There is no comparison. You won't understand that until you experience it first hand.

What we create isn't just a bunch of thrown together parts that come off someone elses's shelves as generic offerings... Hell, a set of our brand new CNC ported cylinder heads run 1/2 as much as they want for this entire engine that features 35 year old heads...

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Ga Dan   Any Info on this Ebay Motor builder schantzmd   Jul 21 2009, 02:40 AM
johannes   If I had 5000$ to spend on a turnkey engine, ...   Jul 21 2009, 04:43 AM
gopack   :agree: This engine will have well known and docu...   Jul 21 2009, 06:00 AM
Gint   I would probably do the same. And that's al...   Jul 21 2009, 08:49 AM
Jake Raby   The parts to comprise one of my MassIVe engines co...   Jul 21 2009, 09:00 AM
Smitty911   Well at least he gave you an Honorable Mention in ...   Jul 21 2009, 09:59 AM
ConeDodger   +1 for McMark's $5000 2056 builds. Mark i...   Jul 21 2009, 10:35 AM
DBCooper   I don't think this forum should be used by ven...   Jul 21 2009, 10:53 AM
ConeDodger   I don't think this forum should be used by ve...   Jul 21 2009, 11:35 AM
DBCooper   I don't think this forum should be used by v...   Jul 21 2009, 04:35 PM
ConeDodger   [quote name='ConeDodger' post='1193643' date='Jul...   Jul 21 2009, 05:31 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   [quote name='ConeDodger' post='1193643' date='Jul...   Jul 21 2009, 05:50 PM
SirAndy   Jake didn't just bash the seller either... He...   Jul 21 2009, 10:08 PM
r_towle   The most obvious problem with his engine program ...   Jul 21 2009, 11:15 PM
ConeDodger   The most obvious problem with his engine program...   Jul 21 2009, 11:57 PM
Jake Raby   It wasn't anything more than stating the obvio...   Jul 21 2009, 11:08 AM
Cupomeat   Well, the way I look at it, I can add one more BS ...   Jul 21 2009, 11:19 AM
Jake Raby   Thanks for that observation Dr. Sime :-)   Jul 21 2009, 11:40 AM
ConeDodger   Thanks for that observation Dr. Sime :-) Scho...   Jul 21 2009, 11:48 AM
914Owner   Jake, do you still sell a (mostly) stock 2.0 with ...   Jul 24 2009, 12:14 AM
ConeDodger   Jake, do you still sell a (mostly) stock 2.0 with...   Jul 24 2009, 01:00 AM
Jake Raby   Jake, do you still sell a (mostly) stock 2.0 with...   Jul 24 2009, 05:53 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Jake, thanks for pointing all that out. Good stuff...   Jul 21 2009, 12:40 PM
ghuff   5000$ random ebay engine bought on internet p...   Jul 21 2009, 01:04 PM
ericread   I am truly disappointed to find that Jake does not...   Jul 21 2009, 01:26 PM
Jake Raby   I am truly disappointed to find that Jake does no...   Jul 21 2009, 01:39 PM
ghuff   I find this criticism of Jake Raby funny..... I ha...   Jul 21 2009, 05:35 PM
rdauenhauer   Heres one that IS turn key and has some pedigree :...   Jul 21 2009, 05:57 PM
ConeDodger   Heres one that IS turn key and has some pedigree ...   Jul 21 2009, 07:28 PM
JOE M   I wish I could buy a new engine!!!...   Jul 21 2009, 06:15 PM
raw1298   Almost everything I have gotten concerning a 914 o...   Jul 21 2009, 06:51 PM
Thomas J Bliznik   Almost everything I have gotten concerning a 914 ...   Jul 21 2009, 07:00 PM
ghuff   Almost everything I have gotten concerning a 914 ...   Jul 21 2009, 07:17 PM
Jake Raby   Yes.. I am cocky, self centered and over bearing.....   Jul 21 2009, 07:55 PM
rtalich   I'll never understand why some people dislike ...   Jul 21 2009, 09:07 PM
type2man   Why would anyone consider buying something from e...   Jul 21 2009, 09:59 PM
type2man   Jake didn't just bash the seller either... ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:19 PM
RJMII   hey Rich; Where did you price the AA 'Hypert...   Jul 22 2009, 12:00 AM
Chris Hamilton   hey Rich; Where did you price the AA 'Hyper...   Jul 22 2009, 01:11 AM
RJMII   That was his reasoning for the second auction b...   Jul 22 2009, 12:04 AM
ConeDodger   That was his reasoning for the second auction ...   Jul 22 2009, 01:02 AM
RJMII   okay, found it. thanks!   Jul 22 2009, 01:09 AM
Ga Dan   Well I didn’t want my post to take this turn, my...   Jul 22 2009, 02:13 AM
Jake Raby   I'll not forget those statements. Its not a...   Jul 22 2009, 11:15 AM
r_towle   I'll not forget those statements. OK, bu...   Jul 22 2009, 09:50 PM
Jake Raby   I'll not forget those statements. OK, b...   Jul 23 2009, 06:36 AM
r_towle   Jake, if you knew me personally, you would not tak...   Jul 23 2009, 08:21 AM
McMark   Only two opinions I'll register: 1. I've ...   Jul 23 2009, 12:00 AM
Chris Hamilton   What filters do you use if you'd never use a F...   Jul 23 2009, 02:04 AM
McMark   What filters do you use if you'd never use a ...   Jul 23 2009, 09:45 AM
tomeric914   [quote name='Chris Hamilton' post='1194387' date=...   Jul 23 2009, 03:31 PM
9146986   I thought the 009 would be a dead giveaway, as it...   Jul 23 2009, 07:34 AM
DBCooper   Jake no one is "against" you and NO ONE ...   Jul 23 2009, 09:26 AM
Chris Hamilton   Look Jake, you may be very very good (no one her...   Jul 23 2009, 11:51 AM
Chris Hamilton   Sarcasm aside, that engine looks like the guy who ...   Jul 23 2009, 12:18 PM
grantsfo   Ask yourself this question are you willing to pay ...   Jul 23 2009, 12:18 PM
Chris Hamilton   Ask yourself this question are you willing to pay...   Jul 23 2009, 02:27 PM
MDG   This very well could be the latter situation, but...   Jul 23 2009, 02:54 PM
Chris Hamilton   What I see in this thread is the common consensus...   Jul 23 2009, 03:41 PM
jmill   I judge a person or company by what it does rather...   Jul 23 2009, 12:56 PM
MDG   An engine builder/supplier that actually steps up...   Jul 23 2009, 02:13 PM
Jake Raby   Rich, I don't have many feelings that can be h...   Jul 23 2009, 03:58 PM
grantsfo   I dont see any vendor slander here just good frank...   Jul 23 2009, 04:14 PM
Chris Hamilton   Jake, that's the kind of reply I respect. Hel...   Jul 23 2009, 04:15 PM
type2man   Page 1 had the member vendor mocking the seller wi...   Jul 23 2009, 08:00 PM
Jake Raby   Actually our sales are right where they were in ...   Jul 23 2009, 08:20 PM
RJMII   I make lots of posts here while I am waiting on ...   Jul 23 2009, 09:37 PM
Jake Raby   Is the glass half full or is it half empty?? Neith...   Jul 23 2009, 09:39 PM
RJMII   Is the glass half full or is it half empty?? Neit...   Jul 23 2009, 09:56 PM
grantsfo   I'm sure that now that Jake is into M96 platfo...   Jul 23 2009, 09:44 PM
RJMII   Come to thnk of it, if I had the amount of the BIN...   Jul 23 2009, 10:14 PM
MDG   I'm partial to the 5 beer glass . . . .   Jul 23 2009, 10:18 PM
SLITS   I have reason to believe I met the person. My sho...   Jul 23 2009, 10:18 PM
DBCooper   I have reason to believe I met the person. My sh...   Jul 23 2009, 10:42 PM
jmill   That reminds me of this analogy of taking a jar,...   Jul 23 2009, 10:21 PM
ws91420   A search of the sellers username shows he posted o...   Jul 23 2009, 10:42 PM
Dr Evil   A search of the sellers username shows he posted ...   Jul 24 2009, 01:15 AM


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