 Any Info on this Ebay Motor builder schantzmd, Good or Bad for the $$$$ Reliability? |
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| Ga Dan |
 Jul 21 2009, 02:40 AM
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I am trying to see if anyone may know this engine builder schantzmd. If you know of this builder, how does this engine compare to the Raby 2270 engines? Dont get me wrong, I would love a Raby turnkey 2270 or maybe a kit, but both are out of my reach when all is said and done. With this being a turnkey and everything set up to run would this be a decent engine and reliable? Just not as much power as Jakes Massive type 4s. I could except less power if I could get a turnkey like this if it is reliable and still has more than stock (stated in the ad - built for 150Hp)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...em=370201454753 |
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| grantsfo |
Jul 23 2009, 12:18 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
Ask yourself this question are you willing to pay $5500 plus all costs of install on an unknow motor builder? Will he stand behind the motor like Jake if something goes wrong? Or if motor takes a crap will you be stuck with a hard luck story?
We arent talking small block chevy V8's here. We are talking specialized big bore T4's where stresses are much greater than original design specs - expereince and reputation are everything with T4's. I see big bore VW engines explode all the time. Jake has a much better success rate than anyone I have seen. Do yourself a favor and invest in proven entity. It only takes simple build mistake to lead to a catostrophic failure. As much as Jake would argue point I dont think he was a proven source of reliable big bore T4's until the past few years. Now he is one of ..if not the best. Either a kit from Jake with a good builder or a turnkey from Jake is your best investment. I'd also say dont get hung up on displacement. 2056 is a fine motor and will offer great relaibility. Most people really dont know how to use power from bigger motors and you do risk more driveline failures as motor gets bigger. Not to mention if you dont keep motor tuned properly you are more apt to fry a big bore. I have 35 years of driving T4's and have put over 250,000 miles on these motors since the 70's. Trust me you want somone who is a known entity if you plan to keep the car long term. This post has been edited by grantsfo: Jul 23 2009, 12:25 PM |
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| Chris Hamilton |
Jul 23 2009, 02:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 7-March 06 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 5,687 |
QUOTE(grantsfo @ Jul 23 2009, 11:18 AM)  Ask yourself this question are you willing to pay $5500 plus all costs of install on an unknow motor builder? Will he stand behind the motor like Jake if something goes wrong? Or if motor takes a crap will you be stuck with a hard luck story? This very well could be the latter situation, but even if anyone had anything positive to say about this builder, they wouldn't do it now. This thread went 3 posts before it became a place for a member vendor to slander this seller and advertise their own products. |
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| MDG |
Jul 23 2009, 02:54 PM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,653 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Chris Hamilton @ Jul 23 2009, 04:27 PM) This very well could be the latter situation, but even if anyone had anything positive to say about this builder, they wouldn't do it now. Maybe. Maybe not. But I think you've illustrated how asking a "should I or shouldn't I" type question on an internet forum can shoot off all over the place. People respond with what they are familiar with and so far I haven't seen anyone who knows much of anything about this particular engine builder. If the OP is seriously interested he should do what's been suggested in numerous replies and investigate it. Might turn out to be a great build by a great builder. What I see in this thread is the common consensus that something as critical as your engine, or who is building your engine, is not something to be taken lightly and the deciding factor may have nothing to do with what may appear as the 'best deal'. Without the proper due diligence, maybe a Buy it Now off Ebay is not the way to go . . . . |
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| Chris Hamilton |
Jul 23 2009, 03:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 7-March 06 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 5,687 |
QUOTE(MDG @ Jul 23 2009, 01:54 PM) What I see in this thread is the common consensus that something as critical as your engine, or who is building your engine, is not something to be taken lightly and the deciding factor may have nothing to do with what may appear as the 'best deal'. Without the proper due diligence, maybe a Buy it Now off Ebay is not the way to go . . . . That is definitely true. No disagreement there. |
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Posts in this topic
Ga Dan Any Info on this Ebay Motor builder schantzmd Jul 21 2009, 02:40 AM
johannes If I had 5000$ to spend on a turnkey engine, ... Jul 21 2009, 04:43 AM gopack :agree:
This engine will have well known and docu... Jul 21 2009, 06:00 AM Gint I would probably do the same.
And that's al... Jul 21 2009, 08:49 AM Jake Raby The parts to comprise one of my MassIVe engines co... Jul 21 2009, 09:00 AM Smitty911 Well at least he gave you an Honorable Mention in ... Jul 21 2009, 09:59 AM ConeDodger +1 for McMark's $5000 2056 builds. Mark i... Jul 21 2009, 10:35 AM DBCooper I don't think this forum should be used by ven... Jul 21 2009, 10:53 AM
ConeDodger
I don't think this forum should be used by ve... Jul 21 2009, 11:35 AM DBCooper
I don't think this forum should be used by v... Jul 21 2009, 04:35 PM ConeDodger
[quote name='ConeDodger' post='1193643' date='Jul... Jul 21 2009, 05:31 PM Phoenix 914-6GT
[quote name='ConeDodger' post='1193643' date='Jul... Jul 21 2009, 05:50 PM SirAndy
Jake didn't just bash the seller either... He... Jul 21 2009, 10:08 PM r_towle
The most obvious problem with his engine program ... Jul 21 2009, 11:15 PM ConeDodger
The most obvious problem with his engine program... Jul 21 2009, 11:57 PM Jake Raby It wasn't anything more than stating the obvio... Jul 21 2009, 11:08 AM Cupomeat Well, the way I look at it, I can add one more BS ... Jul 21 2009, 11:19 AM Jake Raby
Thanks for that observation Dr. Sime :-) Jul 21 2009, 11:40 AM ConeDodger
Thanks for that observation Dr. Sime :-)
Scho... Jul 21 2009, 11:48 AM 914Owner Jake, do you still sell a (mostly) stock 2.0 with ... Jul 24 2009, 12:14 AM ConeDodger
Jake, do you still sell a (mostly) stock 2.0 with... Jul 24 2009, 01:00 AM Jake Raby
Jake, do you still sell a (mostly) stock 2.0 with... Jul 24 2009, 05:53 AM Phoenix 914-6GT Jake, thanks for pointing all that out. Good stuff... Jul 21 2009, 12:40 PM ghuff 5000$ random ebay engine bought on internet p... Jul 21 2009, 01:04 PM ericread I am truly disappointed to find that Jake does not... Jul 21 2009, 01:26 PM Jake Raby
I am truly disappointed to find that Jake does no... Jul 21 2009, 01:39 PM ghuff I find this criticism of Jake Raby funny..... I ha... Jul 21 2009, 05:35 PM rdauenhauer Heres one that IS turn key and has some pedigree :... Jul 21 2009, 05:57 PM ConeDodger
Heres one that IS turn key and has some pedigree ... Jul 21 2009, 07:28 PM JOE M I wish I could buy a new engine!!!... Jul 21 2009, 06:15 PM raw1298 Almost everything I have gotten concerning a 914 o... Jul 21 2009, 06:51 PM Thomas J Bliznik
Almost everything I have gotten concerning a 914 ... Jul 21 2009, 07:00 PM ghuff
Almost everything I have gotten concerning a 914 ... Jul 21 2009, 07:17 PM Jake Raby Yes.. I am cocky, self centered and over bearing..... Jul 21 2009, 07:55 PM rtalich I'll never understand why some people dislike ... Jul 21 2009, 09:07 PM type2man
Why would anyone consider buying something from e... Jul 21 2009, 09:59 PM type2man
Jake didn't just bash the seller either...
... Jul 21 2009, 10:19 PM RJMII hey Rich;
Where did you price the AA 'Hypert... Jul 22 2009, 12:00 AM Chris Hamilton
hey Rich;
Where did you price the AA 'Hyper... Jul 22 2009, 01:11 AM RJMII
That was his reasoning for the second auction b... Jul 22 2009, 12:04 AM ConeDodger
That was his reasoning for the second auction ... Jul 22 2009, 01:02 AM RJMII okay, found it. thanks! Jul 22 2009, 01:09 AM Ga Dan Well I didn’t want my post to take this turn, my... Jul 22 2009, 02:13 AM Jake Raby
I'll not forget those statements.
Its not a... Jul 22 2009, 11:15 AM r_towle
I'll not forget those statements.
OK, bu... Jul 22 2009, 09:50 PM Jake Raby
I'll not forget those statements.
OK, b... Jul 23 2009, 06:36 AM r_towle Jake, if you knew me personally, you would not tak... Jul 23 2009, 08:21 AM McMark Only two opinions I'll register:
1. I've ... Jul 23 2009, 12:00 AM Chris Hamilton What filters do you use if you'd never use a F... Jul 23 2009, 02:04 AM McMark
What filters do you use if you'd never use a ... Jul 23 2009, 09:45 AM tomeric914
[quote name='Chris Hamilton' post='1194387' date=... Jul 23 2009, 03:31 PM 9146986 I thought the 009 would be a dead giveaway, as it... Jul 23 2009, 07:34 AM DBCooper Jake no one is "against" you and NO ONE ... Jul 23 2009, 09:26 AM Chris Hamilton
Look Jake, you may be very very good (no one her... Jul 23 2009, 11:51 AM Chris Hamilton Sarcasm aside, that engine looks like the guy who ... Jul 23 2009, 12:18 PM jmill I judge a person or company by what it does rather... Jul 23 2009, 12:56 PM MDG
An engine builder/supplier that actually steps up... Jul 23 2009, 02:13 PM Jake Raby Rich, I don't have many feelings that can be h... Jul 23 2009, 03:58 PM grantsfo I dont see any vendor slander here just good frank... Jul 23 2009, 04:14 PM Chris Hamilton Jake, that's the kind of reply I respect.
Hel... Jul 23 2009, 04:15 PM type2man Page 1 had the member vendor mocking the seller wi... Jul 23 2009, 08:00 PM Jake Raby
Actually our sales are right where they were in ... Jul 23 2009, 08:20 PM RJMII
I make lots of posts here while I am waiting on ... Jul 23 2009, 09:37 PM Jake Raby Is the glass half full or is it half empty??
Neith... Jul 23 2009, 09:39 PM RJMII
Is the glass half full or is it half empty??
Neit... Jul 23 2009, 09:56 PM grantsfo I'm sure that now that Jake is into M96 platfo... Jul 23 2009, 09:44 PM RJMII Come to thnk of it, if I had the amount of the BIN... Jul 23 2009, 10:14 PM MDG I'm partial to the 5 beer glass . . . .
Jul 23 2009, 10:18 PM SLITS I have reason to believe I met the person. My sho... Jul 23 2009, 10:18 PM DBCooper
I have reason to believe I met the person. My sh... Jul 23 2009, 10:42 PM jmill
That reminds me of this analogy of taking a jar,... Jul 23 2009, 10:21 PM ws91420 A search of the sellers username shows he posted o... Jul 23 2009, 10:42 PM Dr Evil
A search of the sellers username shows he posted ... Jul 24 2009, 01:15 AM |
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