more about Fuchs, Fuchs Options

[ME733]

You have asked about the fuchs which came on my 914 S....here goes...the O.E.M. spare rim is dated 8-72...and so are all the others.....and they are part#...914.361.011.00 .They look different in /on the backside than THE PHOTOGRAPH with notes you have shown......as a point of intrest the spare RIM and ALL the four on the ground are identical in every way...EXCEPT the four on the ground have a Painted BACKGROUND.....and after looking closely with a magnifing glass its obvious they are painted...and not quite dead flat black....they are Not anodized....the spare tire is an original tire ..DUNLOP 165 hr 15....looks like it and the rim have NEVER been used...the rim is clean and perfect (both sides and the tire has full tread....and is not dry rotted.(cracks showing in sidewalls)..However,.I would never consider using it obviously. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

[ME733]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...YES TOM this information does help........HOWEVER.......does this mean the "FUCHS" with (mfg.serial # ending in ...00...) are going to have a FITMENT PROBLEM?..on hub centric front hubs?.....I mean is there a clearance problem,(somewhere) as indicated In your information and as per the factory concerns?...I mounted the wheels / tires, but can see nor "feel" any problem?...WHERE or what is the SPECIFIC problem?...thanks ..murray. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[Tom_T]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ...YES TOM this information does help........HOWEVER.......does this mean the "FUCHS" with (mfg.serial # ending in ...00...) are going to have a FITMENT PROBLEM?..on hub centric front hubs?.....I mean is there a clearance problem,(somewhere) as indicated In your information and as per the factory concerns?...I mounted the wheels / tires, but can see nor "feel" any problem?...WHERE or what is the SPECIFIC problem?...thanks ..murray. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

Yes Murry, they absolutely will NOT fit properly against the face of the hub/disk-rotor IF your front hubs are hub-centric (also called "self-centering" hubs)! Do NOT run a -00 wheel of any flavor on hub-centric front hubs/disk-rotors.

This is because the small lip of the ring around the center hub/dust-cap which sticks out a few mm's from the hub/disk-rotor's surface will hold the face away from fully seating on the hub/disk-rotor, which can then "wobble" that amount & damage the lug bolts, rotor, etc. - costing a bunch of $'s to fix, even if there is never an accident as a result.

The inset on the back of the wheel shown in this pic below, shos where the lip fits into, in order for the rest of the wheel back-face to seat properly & flat on the hub-centric front hubs/rotors.

So first check to see if you have a hub-centric front rotor, then act accordingly - i.e.: use only the -01 type wheels if hub-centric, or either -00 or -01 if not. If the PO had ever changed the front rotors due to wear - or if you do yourself, chances are that even the non-hub-centric hubs/rotors up front are/will be hub-centric replacements, since that's the proper spec for your 73 2L (914S (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ).

Go to the web link below, then drop down to the BO & BH Recalls below, go to the right columns & print-out the pages of the actual recall letters sent by VoA to the Porsche+Audi Dealers on the 2 wheel fitment recalls. Do the same for the HO Recall on the battery & fuel lines problem too.
http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibles/Recalls.htm

Then call PCNA - which is based right near you in Atlanta (you lucky devil! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ), and go to option #3 & ask them to check your 914's VIN to find out if either the BO &/or HO were ever performed on your car. I have a PCNA Porsche regional service manager coming out to inspect mine later this month.

If not, then Porsche is still obligated to do the work listed on the VoA letters at a local Porsche Dealership AT NO COST, since these were NHSTA required safety recalls. Have them do the HO Recall to replace the rubber fuel lines,battery top, hold downs, add a battery pad, etc. (most/all parts for this one are still available).

Although I don't know what they'll do for the Fuchs 2L wheels, since they're NLA, but maybe they'll work out a swap of your -00 set for a proper used -01 set. BTW - as the recalls say - a full set was 5 - including the spare, NOT 4 as many have, so insist on that & have them take your 4 -00 Fuchs 2Ls + Steelie Spare! I know it may be a disappointment after spending all that time to get your Fuchs 2Ls into top shape, but now you can insist on equal condition replacements.

Your 2 sets of Mahles may have been the PO's attempt to remedy the wheels fitment problem - or the original selling Porsche Dealer's. Perhaps the PO didn't know that he/she could have the recall performed, or that it even existed.

Sorry, but - if the BO Recall was done on your car, then I'd suggest that you only run on the -01 Mahles until you can buy or swap your -00 Fuchs 2L Alloys for a proper used set of the -01 variety. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Proper Part #...-01 Fuchs Wheel at back face:



Hope this helps!
BTW - I sent you a PM yesterday or Thursday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[JeffBowlsby]

The correct link for the recall info is now: http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/Recalls.htm

PS I am informed that it was too many years ago and Porsche is not legally obligated to honor those old recalls any more. Something about a statute of limitations...and besides the parts are NLA...

[Tom_T]

The correct link for the recall info is now: http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/Recalls.htm

PS I am informed that it was too many years ago and Porsche is not legally obligated to honor those old recalls any more. Something about a statute of limitations...and besides the parts are NLA...

Thanx for the update Jeff -
.....have the other addys for your excellent 914 info website also changed?
........if so, then maybe you could post something here at 914world with the new main one & key info sub-pages?

As to Porsche honoring them - YES they will & are required to by NHTSA & DOT etc.

I have an open order for my 73 2L to have the HO Recall (battery/fuel lines) to be performed whenever I get it to a dealer.

Re; the BO Recall for 73 2L Fuchs Wheels & Hub-centric problem discussed here - I also have a PCNA Regional Service Manager - Rick Perkins (who resto's his own 914 a while back & really nice guy!) - coming out to inspect mine later in Oct., so I'll just verify whether & how they'd perform such a recall even at today's late date. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Furthermore, the VoA letters to the Porsche+Audi dealers which you've linked on your recalls page all say something to the effect that: "...this recall never expires....", which pretty much backs up the above.

btw - we've already established that neither of the applicable HO nor BO Recalls were never done on mine, but since I bought it used in 12/75 (yes 34 years ago) WITHOUT the proper Fuchs wheels on it (had Rivieras & steelie spare) - PCNA cannot change the wheels or offer a free set (DANG!). I'm just going through the process with PCNA to get documentation/letter on what was & wasn't done on mine for resto documentation (I know, I'm too anal on the records end!). I'll post anything I find out for general info from him.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) So you may want to add a note to your 914 Recalls webpage, which indicates this fact for other 914 owners. You can double check this with Jolene Constant or Heather Cooper at PCNA Customer Commitment (former did my HO & latter BO), &/or email me for Rick Perkins' cell # to discuss same with him.