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> Why doesn't my right ebrake work?, It's the asymmetric cables, dummy.
davesprinkle
post Dec 3 2009, 10:14 AM
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Here's why most modern cars have the ebrake handle in the middle of the car -- it's so the cables running to the wheels have identical length and path. How do I know? Here's the anecdote:
For the last year, I've been struggling with my ebrake system. The right caliper just wouldn't clamp as tightly as the left. I've got rebuilt calipers, new pads, new cables, proper clearance, but no worky.

Finally found out why. It's the internal drag of the actuation cables. The passenger-side cable is substantially longer than the driver side. Also, the right-side cable has 3 right-angle bends vs the left-side cable with none. This results in so much internal friction that the cable just binds solid when it's pulled.

I was able to improve the situation somewhat by lubricating the cable. Still not perfect, but much better.
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post Dec 4 2009, 10:17 AM
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It cracks me up when people get on a forum and ask for help and then get pissy with those that are trying to help them.

I'm not saying that there is not more friction in a longer cable because of course there is. I'm saying that if you have two quality new cables in this application not working there is something wrong. Just because YOUR cables are high in friction does not mean that ALL cables are that way and it's a defective design. Car manufacturers have been using cable systems since Barny Rubble was driving. Not the best system but they were required to have a mechanical backup.

I don't want this thread to give out the idea that there is something wrong with the 914 cable setup since it works fine for most people.

As for my cable system on my car, just ask others who have seen it.....It works great.

If you are satisfied that Porsche and other manufacturers are using a bad design you should build a better system....
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post Dec 4 2009, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(PRS914-6 @ Dec 4 2009, 08:17 AM) *

It cracks me up when people get on a forum and ask for help and then get pissy with those that are trying to help them.

I'm not saying that there is not more friction in a longer cable because of course there is. I'm saying that if you have two quality new cables in this application not working there is something wrong. Just because YOUR cables are high in friction does not mean that ALL cables are that way and it's a defective design. Car manufacturers have been using cable systems since Barny Rubble was driving. Not the best system but they were required to have a mechanical backup.

I don't want this thread to give out the idea that there is something wrong with the 914 cable setup since it works fine for most people.

As for my cable system on my car, just ask others who have seen it.....It works great.

If you are satisfied that Porsche and other manufacturers are using a bad design you should build a better system....


Paul, you need to read my original post. My post didn't request help; it offered guidance to others who might have the same problem. And if you'll read the responses, you'll see that at least three other 914 drivers have EXACTLY the same issue. I'm glad you're not one of them, but when you blindly extrapolate your success to every 914 on the road, then you do the community and others who might have this problem a disservice.

I don't need to build a better system. I've already solved the problem with the OE system. I lubricated the cable. Others should consider doing the same.
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post Dec 4 2009, 11:01 AM
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Dave,
First off, Thanks, I know if you were able to explain this without the crux of the internet everyone would listen.

I am still fighting the problem that you originally had where the drivers side clamps first and then the passengers side. Right now my car could probably not be held on a hill from the ebrake alone. I really haven't worked on it since I originally adjusted everything, and I mean everything last winter. I did attempt to lubricate the cables with wurth penetrating oil and although it did get better it never fixed the problem. Its wierd because you can literally watch the friction of the passenger side cable put more tension on the yoke. Looks like I just need to bite the bullet and buy new cables and make sure to lubricate them first, then readjust everything.

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davesprinkle   Why doesn't my right ebrake work?   Dec 3 2009, 10:14 AM
jim_hoyland   I have the same issue.....where did you lube the c...   Dec 3 2009, 10:34 AM
davesprinkle   I have the same issue.....where did you lube the ...   Dec 3 2009, 10:46 AM
tat2dphreak   dunno about OR, or CA, but a hydraulic Parking bra...   Dec 3 2009, 12:02 PM
davesprinkle   dunno about OR, or CA, but a hydraulic Parking br...   Dec 3 2009, 12:56 PM
tat2dphreak   new cables should not bind, perhaps it was bent be...   Dec 3 2009, 01:06 PM
davesprinkle   new cables should not bind, perhaps it was bent b...   Dec 3 2009, 01:27 PM
tat2dphreak   new cables should not bind, perhaps it was bent ...   Dec 3 2009, 01:59 PM
Shade Tree   I've been considering just putting a line lock...   Dec 3 2009, 01:18 PM
JJ914GT   That's exactly why my car has the handbrake in...   Dec 3 2009, 01:45 PM
JJ914GT   The PO installed it before I got the car, so didn...   Dec 3 2009, 04:13 PM
McMark   Dave, did you try adjusting the ebrake cables? An...   Dec 3 2009, 10:37 PM
davesprinkle   Dave, did you try adjusting the ebrake cables? A...   Dec 3 2009, 11:37 PM
PRS914-6   The length of the cable should not effect it. The...   Dec 3 2009, 10:47 PM
davesprinkle   The length of the cable should not effect it. ...   Dec 3 2009, 11:35 PM
PRS914-6   [quote name='PRS914-6' post='1246177' date='...   Dec 3 2009, 11:51 PM
Mike914   My cars both grab the driver's side rotor firs...   Dec 4 2009, 12:11 AM
davesprinkle   My cars both grab the driver's side rotor fir...   Dec 4 2009, 09:07 AM
davesprinkle   Sorry, the friction difference between two new ca...   Dec 4 2009, 09:40 AM
PRS914-6   It cracks me up when people get on a forum and ask...   Dec 4 2009, 10:17 AM
davesprinkle   It cracks me up when people get on a forum and as...   Dec 4 2009, 10:44 AM
Solo914   Dave, First off, Thanks, I know if you were able ...   Dec 4 2009, 11:01 AM
davesprinkle   Dave, First off, Thanks, I know if you were able...   Dec 4 2009, 11:22 AM
Chicken   This is not a design flaw/issue it is an expectat...   Dec 4 2009, 11:16 AM
davesprinkle   This is not a design flaw/issue it is an expecta...   Dec 4 2009, 11:40 AM
Cevan   The "E-brake" as you call it is not an ...   Dec 4 2009, 01:00 PM
SirAndy   The "E-brake" as you call it is not an...   Dec 4 2009, 01:11 PM
messix   Dear Dave, I really don't think that you are...   Dec 4 2009, 11:45 AM
davesprinkle   Dear Dave, I really don't think that you ar...   Dec 4 2009, 12:37 PM
messix   Dear Dave, I really don't think that you a...   Dec 4 2009, 02:58 PM
Chicken   quite simply adjust the cables so the RR makes co...   Dec 4 2009, 11:51 AM
davesprinkle   quite simply adjust the cables so the RR makes c...   Dec 4 2009, 12:26 PM
SirAndy   I call the system an "emergency brake...   Dec 4 2009, 12:45 PM
davesprinkle   I call the system an "emergency brake...   Dec 4 2009, 12:56 PM
SirAndy   Its other function is as an EMERGENCY brake. Firs...   Dec 4 2009, 01:18 PM
davesprinkle   I stomp on the brakes, *POP* it said and the peda...   Dec 4 2009, 01:33 PM
SirAndy   [quote name='SirAndy' post='1246418' date='Dec 4 2...   Dec 4 2009, 01:37 PM
davesprinkle   Did you also read my question? I'll ask again...   Dec 4 2009, 03:09 PM
Solo914   [quote name='SirAndy' post='1246428' date='Dec 4 ...   Dec 4 2009, 03:18 PM
SirAndy   From the owners manual:   Dec 4 2009, 12:53 PM
tat2dphreak   that happened to me on an old hunting truck we had...   Dec 4 2009, 01:56 PM
Chicken   guys i am glad we can all give each other a hard t...   Dec 4 2009, 02:50 PM
SirAndy   A+ for your lubrication skills :thumbsup: D- for ...   Dec 4 2009, 03:13 PM
Shade Tree   Don't the brake lines travel through the tunne...   Dec 4 2009, 03:17 PM
messix   Don't the brake lines travel through the tunn...   Dec 4 2009, 03:22 PM
SirAndy   :lol4: http://wtanaka.com/node/7745   Dec 4 2009, 03:38 PM
MDG   :lol4: http://wtanaka.com/node/7745 :rotfl: ...   Dec 4 2009, 08:14 PM


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