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ConeDodger
post Dec 12 2009, 10:10 PM
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I just picked up my car from McMark's shop today. Original Customs for the uninformed. I had him install the Engman Kit I got in the last group buy. I had heard the stories of door gaps shrinking and things not lining up and that is why I gave this job to Mark. My car is a 70K mile preservation and I am only the second owner. The door gaps were perfect going in and perfect coming out.

Nice work Mark! If you are thinking of doing this, I highly recommend Mark and if you are too far away, definitely ask how he did this. His method worked without any body warping...

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post Dec 13 2009, 03:36 PM
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Rob, I reworded you title slightly. Not that you were wrong, but I think mine is slightly clearer.

I installed the kit with no additional bracing or support, with the car sitting on its wheels. There was absolutely no warping and no change in the door gaps.

I 'dry fit' the kit to make sure everything looked and fit exactly how I wanted it. I then modified two drill bits to prepare each hole for the rosette weld. One drill bit passed through the hole to clear the paint from the long, the other cleared the E-Coat from the kit. I'll post pictures of those modified drill bits and pictures of the install on Tuesday. I also used self tapping sheet metal screws to secure and pull the kit into place.

I took my time doing the installation and prepped three or four holes at a time, welded them, waited a bit, then repeated. Took me about 15 hours to remove the interior, prep everything, weld, grind, paint, and reinstall the interior.

It's important for me to mention that the Engman Kit fits absolutely perfectly. I didn't have to tweak, modify, or otherwise manipulate his parts. They dropped right into place. And as long as you work SLOW and METHODICALLY you have no danger of warping the chassis. Rushing and welding too much, too fast are easy mistakes to make and WILL cause problems. Prepping all the welds ahead of time is a mistake that will encourage you to weld too fast. I also welded starting at one end and work consistently towards the other. I figure that jumping from one end to the other can 'trap' stress in the long. My thinking is that if you make a weld, and that heat distorts the metal, if you make another weld farther away while the original metal is in an 'altered state', your second weld will 'trap' and lock the metal into that 'altered state'. By keeping the welds together, I think you'll keep the 'trapping' to a minimum.

Pictures on Tuesday.
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ConeDodger   Best Practices for Engman Kit Install   Dec 12 2009, 10:10 PM
ConeDodger   Just took the car off the trailer and took a drive...   Dec 13 2009, 01:04 PM
sixnotfour   :popcorn:   Dec 13 2009, 01:07 PM
ConeDodger   :popcorn: Don't hold your breath on the p...   Dec 13 2009, 01:19 PM
RobW   :popcorn: Don't hold your breath on the ...   Dec 13 2009, 02:46 PM
ahdoman   Rob - Maybe it's just the way I'm reading ...   Dec 13 2009, 01:47 PM
Dr Evil   :agree:   Dec 13 2009, 02:05 PM
ConeDodger   That is why it says "a bad install". The...   Dec 13 2009, 02:16 PM
johnnie5   Word association - the phrase 'horror stories...   Dec 13 2009, 02:30 PM
plymouth37   Anytime you do that amount of welding on a chassis...   Dec 13 2009, 02:51 PM
Racer Chris   Anytime you do that amount of welding on a chassi...   Dec 13 2009, 05:33 PM
Elliot Cannon   I have installed a few Engman products and have be...   Dec 13 2009, 03:17 PM
McMark   Rob, I reworded you title slightly. Not that you ...   Dec 13 2009, 03:36 PM
Gint   Rob, I reworded you title slightly. Not that you ...   Dec 13 2009, 03:45 PM
ConeDodger   Rob, I reworded you title slightly. Not that you...   Dec 13 2009, 04:31 PM
andys   It's important for me to mention that the En...   Dec 14 2009, 12:48 PM
Racer Chris   I used a TIG welder which is favorable to minimi...   Dec 14 2009, 10:30 PM
Gint   It was a generalization of the worst extreme. I c...   Dec 13 2009, 04:44 PM
SirAndy   Regardless, it's pretty obvious that I'm ...   Dec 13 2009, 05:41 PM
Spoke   I was hoping this thread would give some tips of w...   Dec 13 2009, 05:46 PM
ConeDodger   I was hoping this thread would give some tips of ...   Dec 13 2009, 06:40 PM
McMark   I was hoping this thread would give some tips of ...   Dec 13 2009, 07:14 PM
r_towle   I was hoping this thread would give some tips of...   Dec 14 2009, 08:23 PM
Gint   I did a little searching after reading this post. ...   Dec 13 2009, 05:55 PM
FourBlades   I wish now I had taken some really careful before ...   Dec 13 2009, 09:43 PM
ConeDodger   We all also need to consider that some of our prob...   Dec 14 2009, 01:19 PM
McMark   Andys, when did you get your kit? Mark B (Engman)...   Dec 14 2009, 02:28 PM
andys   Andys, when did you get your kit? Mark B (Engman...   Dec 14 2009, 03:41 PM
McMark   :agree: My way, is by no means the only way to ac...   Dec 15 2009, 01:12 PM
atsealevel914   I used this technique because I feel it leaves th...   Dec 15 2009, 01:34 PM
r_towle   :agree: My way, is by no means the only way to a...   Dec 15 2009, 06:27 PM
shoguneagle   I found the continuation of this thread very infor...   Dec 15 2009, 01:46 PM
McMark   I haven't found a weld thru coating that didn...   Dec 15 2009, 02:17 PM
charliew   You guys give lots of good info. I appreciate your...   Dec 15 2009, 03:35 PM
McMark   I don't claim to be a TIG guru, but rosette we...   Dec 15 2009, 03:51 PM
charliew   The first time I had a mild steel exhaust pipe tub...   Dec 15 2009, 04:00 PM


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