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patssle
post Jul 6 2010, 06:45 PM
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I might be interesting in taking out the engine of my car and swapping with something better sometime down the road in the future. Currently it's an old VW bus motor, no horsepower, some ok torque in 1st and 2nd, but nothing after that.

I did some searching, and came across a few threads - but are there any good previous threads or articles out there that touch on each engine option available to upgrade to in the 914? Cost, benefits, pros/cons, etc. I know there was a poll once asking which upgrade to do - but could not find it.

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post Jul 8 2010, 10:00 AM
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Good stuff. What does the 3.2 Porsche engine weigh? Also, do you have to change transmissions with the 3.2, or can it handle that power?
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post Jul 8 2010, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(patssle @ Jul 8 2010, 08:00 AM) *

Good stuff. What does the 3.2 Porsche engine weigh? Also, do you have to change transmissions with the 3.2, or can it handle that power?


I've run a 3.6L 993 motor in my 914 since 1999 and still use the 914 transmission, although with shorter gears. If I raced it a lot it would need more PM. But if you are smooth and respect the machine, that transmission will last a very long time. That said...

A while back, I let a long-time friend drive my car. After he watched me do it for about 30 minutes (with instruction) I figured he would be kind to the car. Later in the day I arranged with another friend to let him drive her 993, a car he was considering for himself (not that one).

He had a good time but never understood smooth. I truly think he wanted to, and thought he was at first, but... dang. He has owned British sports cars in the past, so at the minimum I expected decent lines. But he was very busy shifting too much.

I finally had to relieve him of the con before he trashed my transmission. He couldn't understand light throttle and (relatively) synchronized shifts. Even if I factor in EXCITEMENT!!!!! and NERVOUS!!! it was too much. He'd never had that much power to modulate.

I have two 915 transmissions and have never had to put one in because the 914 transmission just won't break! It's almost disappointing! I'll get over it.

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post Jul 8 2010, 12:05 PM
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I've run a 3.6L 993 motor in my 914 since 1999 and still use the 914 transmission, although with shorter gears. If I raced it a lot it would need more PM. But if you are smooth and respect the machine, that transmission will last a very long time. That said...

I have two 915 transmissions and have never had to put one in because the 914 transmission just won't break! It's almost disappointing! I'll get over it.

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You know, that makes the 3.2 option a lot more temping. Same transmission, don't have to tear the car up for water cooling. Engine cost will up there though, but that's a lot of HP for the money.

Though, I did read it might need oil cooling?
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post Jul 8 2010, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(patssle @ Jul 8 2010, 11:05 AM) *

You know, that makes the 3.2 option a lot more temping. Same transmission, don't have to tear the car up for water cooling. Engine cost will up there though, but that's a lot of HP for the money.

Though, I did read it might need oil cooling?


964/993 engines don't have H2O, thats 996 and up. Your correct on oil though, the 3.6 engines need an external oil cooler setup, whereas the 3,2 is much more plug and play with cooler onboard.
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patssle   Engine upgrade options   Jul 6 2010, 06:45 PM
kg6dxn   Check out Renegade Hybrids and Kenedy Engineered P...   Jul 6 2010, 07:02 PM
Spoke   Like in racing, speed costs money, how fast do you...   Jul 6 2010, 07:33 PM
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jmill   A flat six conversion done right (some believe con...   Jul 7 2010, 10:43 AM
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patssle   Thanks for the info Jake. Checked out your website...   Jul 7 2010, 12:15 PM
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Jake Raby   I use an existing 1.7/1.8 or 2.0 for a base engine...   Jul 7 2010, 04:50 PM
patssle   Oh absolutely, I'm still early in the research...   Jul 7 2010, 05:24 PM
budman5201   Subie ez30r 6 3.0 liter 206 hp 178 torque at the ...   Jul 7 2010, 06:56 PM
kg6dxn   You could do a 200-300HP Chevy conversion for ...   Jul 7 2010, 07:22 PM
patssle   I've read all that extra weight from the v8 ...   Jul 7 2010, 07:55 PM
budman5201   I've read all that extra weight from the v8...   Jul 7 2010, 08:01 PM
kg6dxn   I've read all that extra weight from the v8...   Jul 7 2010, 08:02 PM
BigD9146gt   [quote name='patssle' post='1340751' date='Jul 7 ...   Jul 8 2010, 10:51 AM
Jake Raby   I have to say that if I ever converted a 914 to be...   Jul 7 2010, 10:54 PM
RJMII   I bastardized my car (It came to me as a wrecked 7...   Jul 7 2010, 11:59 PM
patssle   Good stuff. What does the 3.2 Porsche engine weigh...   Jul 8 2010, 10:00 AM
pcar916   Good stuff. What does the 3.2 Porsche engine weig...   Jul 8 2010, 11:44 AM
patssle   I've run a 3.6L 993 motor in my 914 since 1...   Jul 8 2010, 12:05 PM
BigD9146gt   You know, that makes the 3.2 option a lot more te...   Jul 8 2010, 01:16 PM
pcar916   964/993 engines don't have H2O, thats 996 an...   Jul 8 2010, 05:06 PM
Vacca Rabite   You know, that makes the 3.2 option a lot more ...   Jul 8 2010, 01:22 PM
Root_Werks   Given the 914's age and numbers of decent cars...   Jul 8 2010, 10:26 AM
BigD9146gt   120hp in a 914 is a fun car. :driving: :agr...   Jul 8 2010, 10:54 AM
patssle   120hp in a 914 is a fun car. :driving: :ag...   Jul 8 2010, 11:30 AM
BigD9146gt   Is that from the stock 914 2.0? Mine is a bus m...   Jul 8 2010, 11:45 AM
DanT   a 2056 motor running stock EFI can be very enterta...   Jul 8 2010, 11:59 AM
DanT   in this car :D   Jul 8 2010, 12:02 PM
DanT   this motor was built for right around $2K, an...   Jul 8 2010, 12:05 PM
patssle   That's amazing that the weak little bus engine...   Jul 8 2010, 02:59 PM
Vacca Rabite   That's amazing that the weak little bus engin...   Jul 8 2010, 04:01 PM
Bleyseng   That's amazing that the weak little bus engin...   Jul 9 2010, 03:17 AM
patssle   If everything is being replaced except those coupl...   Jul 8 2010, 04:33 PM
rdauenhauer   Hmmmm... :idea: something to think about! :D   Jul 8 2010, 05:04 PM
patssle   Why is the 2056 better than the 2270?   Jul 9 2010, 07:18 AM
Jake Raby   Its not "better" its different. The 2056...   Jul 9 2010, 07:24 AM
patssle   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...p;hl=...   Jul 9 2010, 07:27 AM
Jake Raby   If you have 40s, they are still optimum for a 2270...   Jul 9 2010, 08:27 AM
patssle   I keep seeing posts where people are building thei...   Jul 9 2010, 10:03 AM
JmuRiz   quality of parts and materials used in those parts...   Jul 9 2010, 10:30 AM
jmill   I keep seeing posts where people are building the...   Jul 9 2010, 11:32 AM
patssle   Sorry, I used the wrong terminology. I meant updat...   Jul 9 2010, 11:44 AM
mepstein   Read through Jakes website and his powerpoint pres...   Jul 9 2010, 11:56 AM
patssle   Sure, I've been reading his PPTs. I just didn...   Jul 9 2010, 01:25 PM
DanT   Sure, I've been reading his PPTs. I just didn...   Jul 9 2010, 01:35 PM


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