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> Concours in the olden days, My feelings - the way it should still be
Pat Garvey
post Oct 11 2010, 07:03 PM
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I haven't had a diatribe in 2 years, so I'm due.

I'll admit it - I'm a throwback/curmudgeon when it comes to concours.

When it comes to originality, it's just that - original parts and condition. I'll admit that restoration to original condition means it isn't original. I'll take the hit.

But let's discuss cleanliness. And, I'll discuss it the way I was mentored in 1973, which I still hold to & believe is correct.

Cleanliness, to me, means that the judge(s) should be able to actually FEEL the car! Put thier hands on it.

A judge should be able to physically determine the cleanliness of the car, with hands on. If you are portraying your car (whatever breed) as clean, you should see to it that it is physically clean. A judge should be able to either use his/her fingers (or a cloth) to search for grime. If it's there it isn't clean (as in cleanliness). Should be touched, not merely observed.

In my very first "full" concours the judges wore white labcoats & sported cleaning rags (it was PCA 1973). My 914, at less then a year old, has 48k miles on it. But I had been coached by 2 of the best concours people of the era. I took it off the road for 4 months to get it ready. Unfotunately/fortunately, my mentors were part of my judging team. They found little goo, except for the CV boots and oil stained heat exchangers. I won the event & was pushed on to the next Parade (74). In between, I did 2 other concours & won easily, after learning hardcore cleanliness.

I owe a lot of my success to Jon Lowe, who was a perpetual judge and has the longest fingers I've seen. Jon went GT'ing & eventaully fell out to model airplanes.

The 1974 PCA Parade was my first attempt at national hardcore - scared the hell out of me. We prepped for 3 months (914 had been taken off of daily use then) every evening. It was as perfect as could be, but we had to drive it to Pocono. I stripped it of non-critical front end parts & set off. At that time, the PA turnpike was a mess of loose rocks & busted concrete, and was a rough ride. Arrived a day early & spent 3 days prepping. Had non-correct chromies on the car, and I liked them, so we (Janice & I) spent the time on cleanliness, hoping to make up the points there. We did, and won the class by almost 15 points. Mind you, the judges actually touched the car then.

Won a bunch of firsts & People Choice thereafter, but prepped for the Asheville Parade, based on cleanliness. Won that one by 8 points. Judges were still hands-on then too.

After a bunch of PCA and multi-marque events (another 12 firsts & one Best Porsche) came the Reston Parade. This was the only time I trailerd.
I new that this one would be the toughest, and that I would be going against Cole Scrogham, so we worked even harder & trailered.

I came off the trailer & my master cylinder failed. Cole lent me a new one & proceeded to beat me by 1.8 points, probably because of my cheomies & Yoko autocross tires. Fact is - I scored 4 points higher on cleanliness, but gave up almost six points on originality. OK by me. Cole won fair & square. I made the choice on wheels & tires & it cost me another win. But the judges still had hands-on experience with every car.

Now, the judges can only look, not touch. They can't tell if a car is clean or not. You can put all kinds on slick goo that shows well on the botom of enigine & tranny - even the belly, but they can't touch. I don't loke it.

Jon ("long fingers") Lowe used to tell me that a Porsche was only clean as far as he could reach. I liked those days.
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post Oct 14 2010, 06:55 PM
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Tod, Mike & Tom,

Why is it that the locals get it, yet PCA Parade (which SHOULD be the paramount Porsche concours ((used to be)) doesn't). In my humble opinion, when you enter your Porsche in a concours you are saying "mine is the best, cleanest and most original Porsches out there". We all know that that doesn't always work out. But those of us who subscribe to that belief know that we'll learn from our faults and be better the next time.

I WANT my Porsche judged for cleanliness. An that means hands on. Works fine at regional events. But, when you go to, what used to be, the paramount Porsche concour event, all they do is look back & judge on originality, never touching the vehicle for cleanliness. I want the judges to smear hands under the dashboard, reach as far as possible under the top of the tranny, swipe across the heat exchangers, reach into the furthest depths of the quarters, etc. I want them to search better than I for dirt & crud. Why? Because I have 1 or 2 personal non-original items & want cleanliness to make up for the gigs that I expect to get. If you don't touch it, you don't KNOW if it's clean.

OK, I've won 38 concours awards, so I know a little here. Most have been regiona/zone awards. Three Parade awards. Seven are from multimarque events. The only time I finished less than second was at a Parade event. I have seven BOS awards and 5 People's Choice awards. Not proud of the multi-marque events, even though I judged four of them, because they were "namby-pamby" events - "don't touch".

When I was coerced into chairing the 93 Parade concours I mandated that the judging would be performed by historical methods. Then two days before the event that I had worked on for a solid year, they (PCA) yanked me out & made me someone who had no say. Judging forms changed to benefit the "show" people, and on an on. I spent the day, after 12 months of work, doing nothing, except for taking care of the restrooms and concessions. I never saw ONE car being judged.

Though is was a 20 year meber of PCA (41 now), and had worked for 12 months to make the first indoor Parade concours work, I was dismissed as unneccessay.

Then they changed my forms, through out some of my chosen (credentialed) judges. After 20 years of work to make PCA a great forum. They lost me THAT day. I still subscribe, but am bitter and would NEVER be involved again.

Sorry, this got out of control. Bitter, yep. Used to think that PCA was the place to be. I'll ot be renewing my membership next year, and will scrap all references of it from by cars.

Now you know why I'm pissed at PCA. Took me 17 years, but I've written thm off
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