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> Seat stittching - older 914's, Protection - rejuvination
Pat Garvey
post Jan 23 2011, 07:27 PM
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My seats haven't had a full load in several years (it's a 72). The early cars had stititching on the seats, as opposed to moulded seams on the newer cars. Thus far I've had no problems with the stiching, but fear the worst. I, personally , have never encountered a product that REALLY softens the surrounding vinyl Areas, so the stitching remains usable. I worry that the first 6 months of road use will find the stitching causing the vinyl to tear.

Anyone dealing with this?
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Pat Garvey
post Feb 2 2011, 07:21 PM
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I conferred with an environmental attorney today, regarding my planned introduction of a phthalic anhydride gel spray to be applied on the underside of 914 upholstery. I'd found a supplier in China (yes, that's right) who could provide it.

I was informed to walk quickly away from this idea, as there are not only environmental concerns with the compound, but to have it made in China opened me up to quality concerns.

So, at this point, my involvement is at an end. Do not send samples, because I have no better ideas.

To give a very basic course of the process.....

Back in the day (70's & earlier) compounds involving phthalic anhydride were reacted with forms of alcohol to produce a compound that was called a plasticizer, to be used in upholstery among other things. Plasticisers, when applied to upholstery backing, kept the upholstery supple. But, as the plasticizers ages they break down under high heat (interior summer heat) & attempt to revert to the original form, releasing phthalate gasses (those fogs you used to get on the insides of the windows) and drying out the vinyl. Of course, the weakest point of the drying issue is where the seat stitching (early 914's) and molded seams (later 914's) is found. Dries out - becomes brittle - fails.

The interesting part of this is that upholstery kits you can get for 914's have been manufactured almost exactly the same! Why the use of phthalic anhydride compounds is OK with them is beyond me.

One of the environmental concerns of this compound is that it has been shown to reduce the size of rats testicles! Think about that after your next drive.....if you're a rat! I don't buy it.

Nonetheless, I close this project. Too bad. I think it had some merit.
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Pat Garvey   Seat stittching - older 914's   Jan 23 2011, 07:27 PM
Tom_T   Geez Pat, I was planning on asking you this same q...   Jan 23 2011, 08:08 PM
tod914   Would it be possible to reinforce the stitching fr...   Jan 24 2011, 07:57 PM
Tom_T   hat might help the seams Tod, but the vinyl gettin...   Jan 25 2011, 12:37 PM
Valy   I've been through the same situation. I have a...   Jan 25 2011, 05:45 PM
mepstein   I don't think you can "rejuvinate" v...   Jan 25 2011, 06:40 PM
Pat Garvey   I don't think you can "rejuvinate" ...   Jan 25 2011, 08:04 PM
tod914   I head good things about a product called 303. Or...   Jan 26 2011, 09:09 AM
Tom_T   I head good things about a product called 303. O...   Jan 26 2011, 01:53 PM
mepstein   I head good things about a product called 303. ...   Jan 26 2011, 03:57 PM
Tom_T   You want your steak rare and it's already wel...   Jan 26 2011, 04:41 PM
tod914   Tom, vinylex won't do it. It doesn't pene...   Jan 26 2011, 02:22 PM
Tom_T   Tom, vinylex won't do it. It doesn't pen...   Jan 26 2011, 03:24 PM
Pat Garvey   Tom, vinylex won't do it. It doesn't pen...   Jan 26 2011, 04:51 PM
underthetire   Just a thought, everything we have that has been s...   Jan 26 2011, 05:04 PM
Pat Garvey   Just a thought, everything we have that has been ...   Jan 26 2011, 06:02 PM
Tom_T   Just a thought, everything we have that has been...   Jan 26 2011, 10:26 PM
Pat Garvey   [quote name='Pat Garvey' post='1422848' date='Jan...   Jan 27 2011, 07:53 PM
underthetire   I'm sure there is plenty of old seats around..   Jan 26 2011, 06:20 PM
Pat Garvey   I'm sure there is plenty of old seats around....   Jan 27 2011, 08:02 PM
tod914   Pat maybe one of the guys that do alot of car part...   Jan 30 2011, 07:08 PM
Pat Garvey   Pat maybe one of the guys that do alot of car par...   Jan 31 2011, 07:44 PM
Valy   I researched a lot about this in the past and also...   Feb 1 2011, 05:40 PM
Pat Garvey   I researched a lot about this in the past and als...   Feb 1 2011, 08:05 PM
Pat Garvey   I conferred with an environmental attorney today, ...   Feb 2 2011, 07:21 PM
Valy   Hey Pat, Your avatar just gave me an idea about s...   Feb 3 2011, 12:01 PM
Pat Garvey   Hey Pat, Your avatar just gave me an idea about ...   Feb 3 2011, 09:08 PM
Tom_T   Pat, As you pointed out, they're still made t...   Feb 2 2011, 08:19 PM
Pat Garvey   Pat, As you pointed out, they're still made ...   Feb 3 2011, 09:07 PM
Tom_T   Okay Pat, just thought I'd suggest another way...   Feb 4 2011, 12:35 AM
Pat Garvey   Okay Pat, just thought I'd suggest another wa...   Feb 4 2011, 06:21 PM
tod914   Pat, maybe a pair of "driver" seats is w...   Feb 5 2011, 08:27 AM
Pat Garvey   Pat, maybe a pair of "driver" seats is ...   Feb 7 2011, 07:19 PM
speedsports66   i am a custom upholsterer and have been in the tra...   Oct 21 2011, 11:44 PM
Pat Garvey   i am a custom upholsterer and have been in the tr...   Oct 23 2011, 06:32 PM


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