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Higher Ethanol (15%) BAD News for Pre-97 cars, Sign the Petition |
RickS |
Feb 6 2011, 10:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 17-April 06 From: 'False City', WA Member No.: 5,880 Region Association: None |
A cross post from the land of the penguins. Read the top and find the petition link at the bottom of the first page of the thread. Scary stuff - Suby converterers might be in a good place.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911...s-91-newer.html Full text of that post: QUOTE Older engines (read "ours") may have serious problems. "May", could read "likely", but since I am not an expert. Read on and chime in on what we can do if needed: Excerpted from the New York Times January 21, 2011: WASHINGTON — The Environmental Protection Agency said on Friday that cars and light trucks from the 2001 model year onward can safely use a blend of 15 percent ethanol mixed with gasoline, up from the 10 percent standard now in effect in much of the country. The decision expands the pool of vehicles that could use such a fuel to about 62 percent of the total on the roads. But the practical impact of the announcement on the fuel blend, known as E15, was not clear. An announcement in October that newer cars, from the 2007 model year and later, could use the blend has so far had little impact on retailers or drivers. A new fuel requires multiple approvals from many agencies. And retailers are typically not set up to offer an additional grade of gasoline at their pumps: if they wanted to sell E15, they would have to stop selling something else. The ethanol industry is facing a problem selling its product because overall gasoline sales are down even while ethanol production is up. In addition, while many cars have been manufactured that can run on an 85 percent ethanol blend, known as E85, very few gasoline retailers outside the Midwest actually sell the fuel. Auto makers had expressed concern that the E15 blend could harm cars’ seals, pumps and other fuel system components. But on Friday, Lisa P. Jackson, the E.P.A. administrator, said the agency’s testing had found otherwise. “Recently completed testing and data analysis show that E15 does not harm emissions control equipment in newer cars and light trucks,” she said in a statement. “Wherever sound science and the law support steps to allow more home-grown fuels in America’s vehicles, this administration takes those steps.” The ethanol industry cheered the announcement. Growth Energy, a trade group that had petitioned the E.P.A. in 2009 to raise the standard blend to 15 percent ethanol from 10 percent, said that if accomplished, the change “could help create as many as 136,000 new jobs in the United States.” Encouraging the use of corn-based ethanol is one of the few federal auto policies that has had a substantial impact on reducing oil imports. The government is still studying the ability of older cars to withstand a 15 percent ethanol blend. The E.P.A. has not said when it expects to announce a ruling on older vehicles. Some gasoline-powered equipment, like marine outboard motors, chain saws and leaf blowers, is never expected to qualify, and E15 in those engines would create safety hazards, the equipment makers say. Full text: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/business...anol&st=cse I understand cars with carbs may have additional difficulties |
underthetire |
Feb 7 2011, 10:09 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
Just playing the devils advocate here, but everyone is always chiming in, Buy American! Well, that will be 15% less oil we buy from the middle east, right? Guess that just pushes me one step closer to do the Ecotek motor swap.
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black73 |
Feb 7 2011, 06:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 516 Joined: 23-March 05 From: Nashville,TN Member No.: 3,801 Region Association: South East States |
.... Buy American! .... He said on the German car forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Old car hobbyists numbers are dwindling..... Not so sure about that. I was at an AACA swap meet yesterday that was packed with thousands of people of all ages with hundreds of vendors present. It looks to me like the hobby is growing and the politicians, as usual, are completely out of touch with the public. |
Elliot Cannon |
Feb 7 2011, 08:33 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
.... Buy American! .... He said on the German car forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Old car hobbyists numbers are dwindling..... Not so sure about that. I was at an AACA swap meet yesterday that was packed with thousands of people of all ages with hundreds of vendors present. It looks to me like the hobby is growing and the politicians, as usual, are completely out of touch with the public. Thousands of people with hundreds of vendors. USA total population 300,000,000. I rest my case. We need to get behind people like SEMA who have some lobbying power. Polititians trying to move up the zigurat will try and pass laws that make them look good to their consitituants wether the law actually helps or not. The current California smog check laws are a case in point. |
black73 |
Feb 8 2011, 04:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 516 Joined: 23-March 05 From: Nashville,TN Member No.: 3,801 Region Association: South East States |
....Thousands of people with hundreds of vendors. USA total population 300,000,000. I rest my case. .... And with only 100,000 of those 300,000,000 showing up at the Super Bowl, the NFL is doomed too ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) The point I am trying to make is in the middle of winter, which is the off season in these parts, on Super Bowl Sunday, in a down economy, at an event that had practically no advertisement or publicity, there was still an overflow crowd looking to buy parts for old cars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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