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| Dr Evil |
Feb 19 2011, 05:56 PM
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Send me your transmission! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 23,041 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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There has been lots of interest in the corvair power plant over the years as a possible source of cheap HP for many vehicles. There are used in experimental aviation, dune buggies, buses (such as mine), and in place of many other air cooled VW power plants. They are fairly cheap to buy and build, very easy to build and maintain, and plentiful with readily available parts from several suppliers.
The main divide in the corvair engine line took place in 1965 when the displacement of the engine was moved to 2.7L and was offered in a NA 110HP, NA140HP, turbo 150HP and turbo 180HP. The only differences in the long block between these engines are the nitrided crank found in all but the 110HP, and the heads: 110 had one single barrel on each head, the 140 had 2 with one acting as primary and one as secondary. The turbos had a single barrel blow through setup. The heads are the major limiting factor in the design. They are not built in an intuitive way and rob much hp. The 140 head had bigger valves, but like its 2.0L TIV analog, would drop valve seats due to the limited amount of material between the seats in the head, and the inability of larger seats to shed heat as well as smaller seats. This can, and has been overcome by those who have been rebuilding these heads fro decades by making sure the crush tolerance on the seats are correct, and staking the seats in place. Currently, you can get a set of rebuilt, 140hp larger valved heads, with new hardware and no core for about $1200 from Corvair Ranch in Gettysburg, PA. I bought a set that was rebuilt and had the plenums taken off for tri porting for $1500 shipped off of ebay from Starr Cooke in El Cajon, CA, another well known Corvair entity. Modified with plenum removed for individual runners: ![]() The above uses an adapter that allows the placement of Weber triples. My set came with this adapter. Here is a head with a stock plenum, modified with bungs for FI. This is a 140 head as it has two carb bases on it: ![]() Standard engine: ![]() One of the cool things that many ACVW folks like is that the corvair engine has stock hydraulic lifters on it that use standard lifter, push rod, and rocker parts from Chevy. Easy and cheap to obtain. Another great feature that I like over ACVW is the box design on the case. The top and bottom come off and allow for any maintenance. Swapping rods, bearings, what ever, is easy. |
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| Dr Evil |
Feb 19 2011, 06:21 PM
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Send me your transmission! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 23,041 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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The corvair engine rotates opposite of most engines. This is a problem when one is interested in mating it to a different drive train. The prevalence of these engines in swaps using such drive trains allows for the ease of finding the parts to reverse the rotation of them. All that is needed is a cam and reverse dizzy gears.
Here is a link to Clark's Corvair site and the kit. Current list price for a reverse cam (comes in several grinds) and dizzy gears: Cam - $261 (up since when I bought mine) Gears - $182 (Was $90 when I got mine) I did not use my reverse parts as I ended up using a corvair powerglide auto tranz. Also, Clark's is only one vendor. There are many and most under cut Clark's significantly. The part to mate your VW/Porsche tranz to a corvair engine is not usually hard to find either. Attached thumbnail(s) Attached image(s)
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Dr Evil SOT: The truth about Corvair engines Feb 19 2011, 05:56 PM
Dr Evil One thing you hear time and again is the claim of ... Feb 19 2011, 06:02 PM
Dr Evil Corvairs being used in aviation:
A great site... Feb 19 2011, 06:05 PM
Vacca Rabite I understand that the valve springs are made of ch... Feb 19 2011, 06:11 PM
Dr Evil
I understand that the valve springs are made of c... Feb 19 2011, 06:23 PM
Dr Evil Dont think that these engines can be made to kick ... Feb 19 2011, 06:31 PM
Dr Evil Many have purported that these engines are too exp... Feb 19 2011, 06:33 PM
underthetire :headbanger: the engine was the only thing other ... Feb 19 2011, 06:35 PM
KaptKaos Sherman - set the wayback machine to last month:
... Feb 19 2011, 06:37 PM
Dr Evil
Sherman - set the wayback machine to last month: ... Feb 19 2011, 06:42 PM
Elliot Cannon The problem with the corvair wasn't with the e... Feb 19 2011, 06:40 PM
Dr Evil The ultimate engine!
Using 94mm TI VW p/c you... Feb 19 2011, 06:41 PM
Elliot Cannon TURBO!! Feb 19 2011, 06:43 PM
Dr Evil The turbo was archaic. But, it did make more HP. I... Feb 19 2011, 06:48 PM
Dr Evil Here is a 150, looks the same as a 180. Like a mon... Feb 19 2011, 06:49 PM
racerbvd Thanks Dr.
Lots of good info, most I didn't kn... Feb 19 2011, 07:36 PM
silver74insocal :popcorn: whats this thing weigh in at? Feb 19 2011, 08:59 PM
Tom_T Damn the Nader torpedoes, full speed ahead! :D... Feb 19 2011, 09:06 PM
Vacca Rabite Corvairs are cool as shit cars. After Mike showed... Feb 19 2011, 09:25 PM
Tom_T
Corvairs are cool as shit cars. After Mike showe... Feb 19 2011, 09:34 PM
KaptKaos
Corvairs are cool as shit cars. After Mike showe... Feb 19 2011, 11:36 PM
Gearhead1432 I would like to know what a converted engine would... Feb 19 2011, 10:06 PM
Smitty911 Dr. Evil,
Thanks for bringing some Truth to the t... Feb 19 2011, 10:07 PM
Dr Evil I dont know the weight. It may be in the repair ma... Feb 19 2011, 10:49 PM
Dr Evil Here is a link to an auction from Larry's corv... Feb 19 2011, 11:04 PM
Dr Evil One from Starrcooke for less, but lower displaceme... Feb 19 2011, 11:06 PM
Dr Evil Clutch and adapter for $400. This is about th... Feb 19 2011, 11:07 PM
Dr Evil Holy crap, a twin turbo vair engine starting at ... Feb 19 2011, 11:10 PM
Lou W Sooo, then is this 63 convertable with no engine o... Feb 20 2011, 12:25 AM
silver74insocal yep worthless..give me 50 bucks and i will haul it... Feb 20 2011, 12:36 AM
Gearhead1432 Looking at data from the pelican forum and the cor... Feb 20 2011, 12:54 AM
zymurgist
Looking at data from the pelican forum and the co... Feb 20 2011, 06:53 AM
Eric_Shea
There's little fairies that open the intake ... Feb 20 2011, 01:13 AM
scotty b WORST ENGINE EVER !! Feb 20 2011, 06:47 AM
Dr Evil 3.0 has two over head cams and related hardware to... Feb 20 2011, 07:09 AM
jk76.914 Nice summary- I offer a couple of clarifications-
... Feb 20 2011, 07:45 AM
Don M This really is a great direction if you are thnkin... Feb 20 2011, 08:40 AM
GS Guy Great thread Doc!
The big limitation in the c... Feb 20 2011, 08:57 AM
914coop Had two Corvair powered vesicles.
A VW framed dun... Feb 20 2011, 09:58 AM
Racer Chris A note regarding the (upright blade) cooling fan: ... Feb 20 2011, 10:01 AM
Smitty911 "A note regarding the (upright blade) cooling... Feb 20 2011, 11:34 AM
Vacca Rabite Using a corvair transaxle would also neutralize th... Feb 20 2011, 11:38 AM
zymurgist
Using a corvair transaxle would also neutralize t... Feb 20 2011, 11:42 AM
gandalf_025 I've only owned and driven turbo versions. I... Feb 20 2011, 11:43 AM
rascobo When I got My learners permit at 15 1/2, My dad bo... Feb 20 2011, 12:59 PM
Racer Chris My older bro had 9 (mostly inoperable) of them in ... Feb 20 2011, 01:55 PM
Dr Evil The fans have been run in reverse on many engines ... Feb 20 2011, 03:58 PM
bfrymire
The fans have been run in reverse on many engines... Feb 20 2011, 04:33 PM
Dr Evil
The fans have been run in reverse on many engine... Feb 20 2011, 05:50 PM
KaptKaos All of this makes you wonder why VW & Porsche ... Feb 20 2011, 04:31 PM
rick 918-S I can't find the resource infomation but I rem... Feb 20 2011, 04:42 PM
Dr Evil Its weird how hard it is to find pics of one insta... Feb 20 2011, 06:08 PM
rick 918-S
Its weird how hard it is to find pics of one inst... Feb 20 2011, 06:15 PM
scotty b
Its weird how hard it is to find pics of one ins... Feb 20 2011, 06:17 PM
jk76.914 Coupola more thoughts... The only issue with reve... Feb 20 2011, 06:30 PM
TargaToy Any simple ideas for retaining your HEAT if the co... Feb 20 2011, 08:43 PM
Dr Evil You can reverse the exhaust logs and retain the he... Feb 20 2011, 08:53 PM
Lou W "Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. ... Feb 20 2011, 09:05 PM
TargaToy In a proposed 914 install, is there anything about... Feb 20 2011, 09:18 PM
Dr Evil I would think not, however, I have not done it so ... Feb 20 2011, 09:25 PM
Spoke This is a friend's Corvair race car. The rear ... Feb 20 2011, 09:27 PM
Don M something to consider regarding pushrods, the oem ... Feb 20 2011, 09:30 PM
Spoke This is one nice Corvair. It has the 180HP turbo e... Feb 20 2011, 09:32 PM
Spoke This one might end up being a 914vair. He plans to... Feb 20 2011, 09:36 PM
Spoke No Corvair collection is complete without a Corvai... Feb 20 2011, 09:39 PM
McMark Could you run a 911 transmission? :idea: Feb 20 2011, 10:36 PM
Dr Evil Ya, but you would still have to reverse the engine... Feb 20 2011, 10:41 PM
orange914
Ya, but you would still have to reverse the engin... Feb 21 2011, 05:12 PM
Dave_Darling
couldn't you flip the ring&pinion, like w... Feb 21 2011, 05:52 PM
Tom_T We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White s... Feb 21 2011, 05:48 PM
jk76.914
We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White ... Feb 21 2011, 05:57 PM
Tom_T
We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White... Feb 21 2011, 06:04 PM
Dr Evil
We got a new 63 Greenbriar Van - Blue with White... Feb 21 2011, 06:07 PM
Tom_T
I installed the tranz cooler on my PG. It was pro... Feb 21 2011, 06:20 PM

Dr Evil
I installed the tranz cooler on my PG. It was pr... Feb 21 2011, 06:30 PM

Tom_T
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jk76.914
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Dr Evil
[quote name='jk76.914' post='1434613' date='Feb ... Feb 21 2011, 09:26 PM
Dr Evil Ya, basically, the input shaft will always be spin... Feb 21 2011, 05:59 PM
McMark I understand the internals would be spinning oppos... Feb 21 2011, 06:02 PM
Dr Evil
I understand the internals would be spinning oppo... Feb 21 2011, 06:12 PM

Racer Chris
You are focusing on the OUTPUT only. The helical ... Feb 21 2011, 10:36 PM

Dr Evil
You are focusing on the OUTPUT only. The helical... Feb 22 2011, 07:36 AM
Rand
I understand the internals would be spinning oppo... Feb 21 2011, 10:28 PM
KELTY360
I understand the internals would be spinning opp... Feb 22 2011, 01:12 AM

Rand
It makes sense if you don't think about it.
... Feb 22 2011, 10:17 AM
messix
I understand the internals would be spinning opp... Feb 22 2011, 01:33 AM
McMark No, I'm not getting that involved. It would b... Feb 21 2011, 06:22 PM
Smitty911 I spent some quality time at a local Corvair house... Feb 21 2011, 08:42 PM
Dr Evil How much is the head work? Shop around to the othe... Feb 21 2011, 08:52 PM
Smitty911
How much is the head work? Shop around to the oth... Feb 21 2011, 08:55 PM
spankmeister7 I also spent the day sourcing Corvair motors. I al... Feb 21 2011, 09:09 PM
Dr Evil Marcus, that is the price point that I am more fam... Feb 21 2011, 09:24 PM
spankmeister7 One more thing.
Under the heading of "inter... Feb 21 2011, 09:55 PM
Racer Chris I'm not convinced that running the R/P backwar... Feb 22 2011, 12:03 PM
ClayPerrine
I'm not convinced that running the R/P backwa... Feb 23 2011, 05:29 PM
pt_700 wish i'd known about this before buying all th... Feb 22 2011, 01:14 PM
andys Interseting read, this thread is. Was cleaning ou... Feb 22 2011, 02:53 PM
Dr Evil If anyone is interested, I have a holley carb adap... Feb 22 2011, 05:59 PM![]() ![]() |
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