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McMark
post May 9 2011, 12:55 PM
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I was talking with a 914 owner about engines and the cost-benefit of a Subaru swap. This person is looking to build a street-legal car that will serve for track duty. But AFAIK, PCA has restrictions on non-Porsche engine participation.

So, since I know most of you all are far more familiar with the regulations and options than I am, I'm looking for information on what sorts of restrictions does PCA place on non-Porsche engine swaps? What other options for track days are available (nationally, but SF Bay Area specifically)? Is building a non-PCA-legal car a shot in the foot? Or is PCA somewhat irrelevant because of availability of other options?

What are your thoughts here? And I'm looking specifically at track days, and not autocrosses, but I'm interested in learning about AX info as well.
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post May 12 2011, 03:21 PM
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I dont see GGR rules as confusing at all. If you want to run in series for points you must have a Porsche with a Porsche serial number motor.

You are welcome to run events in fun category and not be involved in points.

Perhaps there is enough interest to open an exhibition class where you can run Porsches with bastard power plants? That way 912's with type 1 VW motors, 914's with V8s or Subies could all run together. I'd call it the "misfit toys" group.

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post May 12 2011, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(grantsfo @ May 12 2011, 02:21 PM) *

If you want to run in series for points you must have a Porsche with a Porsche serial number motor.


Yes, but we're running by the GGR rule book. Not Grant's rule book he just made up right now.

The current rulebook doesn't say squat about motors, serial numbers or anything like that.
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post May 12 2011, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(Chris Hamilton @ May 12 2011, 03:04 PM) *

QUOTE(grantsfo @ May 12 2011, 02:21 PM) *

If you want to run in series for points you must have a Porsche with a Porsche serial number motor.


Yes, but we're running by the GGR rule book. Not Grant's rule book he just made up right now.

The current rulebook doesn't say squat about motors, serial numbers or anything like that.



As a PCA member since 1976, I think is important for the club to identify with the brand. This keeps the club together and attracts active members to participate in club events. I wasn't too upset when my BMW and Ferrari buddies called my 911 a hair dryer especially when my hair dryer could beat them on the track. Keep the Porsche Club Porsche, but don't lose sight of progress. Where did all the 356's go? It is important to know what else is out there.

I like the SCCA rules for ITE- IMPROVED TOURING E:

These are the TOTAL Rules (Directly from the SCCA rule book):

[b]"The only IT rules that apply to ITE are those losted below:
1. Any tub chassis production vehicle running with DOT tires.
2. Preparation rules: International sedans may modify the floor pan/rocker panel sections.
3. Cars must meet or exceed the Showroom Stock or IT safety requirements of the current General Competition Regulations."


That are ALL the rules. It's kind of RUN WHAT YA BRUNG.





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McMark   Subaru Engine Track Days & PCA   May 9 2011, 12:55 PM
J P Stein   It depends on the local region. For DE, ORPCA let...   May 9 2011, 03:54 PM
brant   Ditto to what JP said it depends on the region you...   May 9 2011, 04:27 PM
Chris Hamilton   I am autocross co-chair in GGR, the region you are...   May 10 2011, 10:40 AM
McMark   Thanks for the tip Chris. Hopefully it'll fit...   May 10 2011, 10:56 AM
DanT   you have always been able to AX your Porsche chass...   May 10 2011, 10:57 AM
Chris Hamilton   As far as what Chris is referring to, a group of ...   May 10 2011, 11:31 AM
DanT   only your interpretation of our current rules Chri...   May 10 2011, 11:37 AM
brant   our current language: 3.0 (g) U.S. Delivered Cars...   May 11 2011, 11:03 PM
Chris Hamilton   our current language: 3.0 (g) U.S. Delivered Car...   May 12 2011, 12:22 AM
Heater Guy   I was talking with a 914 owner about engines and ...   May 11 2011, 01:03 AM
Randal   [quote name='McMark' post='1475109' date='May 9 2...   May 11 2011, 09:44 AM
Heater Guy   [quote name='McMark' post='1475109' date='May 9 ...   May 11 2011, 08:15 PM
DanT   hey Ron, did you get your brake issues sorted out?...   May 11 2011, 10:18 AM
Heater Guy   hey Ron, did you get your brake issues sorted out...   May 11 2011, 08:02 PM
DanT   That language is from the classification portion o...   May 12 2011, 09:41 AM
grantsfo   I dont see GGR rules as confusing at all. If you ...   May 12 2011, 03:21 PM
Chris Hamilton   If you want to run in series for points you must...   May 12 2011, 04:04 PM
Heater Guy   [quote name='grantsfo' post='1476853' date='May 1...   May 12 2011, 05:01 PM
DanT   If you want to run in series for points you mus...   May 12 2011, 05:23 PM
Chris Hamilton   Dan, it is not at all clear from those rules becau...   May 12 2011, 06:12 PM
DanT   If I were driving a Car that was running a type1 V...   May 12 2011, 06:27 PM
Chris Hamilton   If it came down to not running for points or takin...   May 12 2011, 06:30 PM
DanT   Porsche chassis, yes. Porsche motor, no. Sorry we...   May 12 2011, 08:09 PM
grantsfo   Chris, I have been part of PCA since 1969 as a fa...   May 13 2011, 10:38 PM
Chris Hamilton   I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree a...   May 13 2011, 11:25 PM
BKLA   I'm not in any position to comment... But I...   May 14 2011, 08:21 AM
sean_v8_914   I am one of the cheif driving instructors here in ...   May 14 2011, 10:56 AM
J P Stein   there is allways one person who wants to change t...   May 14 2011, 11:17 AM
grantsfo   PCA Mission The Porsche has no equal, and since 19...   May 14 2011, 12:03 PM
BKLA   Grant, that's a purdy piece o' sculpture t...   May 14 2011, 07:52 PM
914v   How about a 911 or a 914 with a porsche motor with...   May 15 2011, 12:24 PM
grantsfo   How about a 911 or a 914 with a porsche motor wit...   May 15 2011, 12:41 PM


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