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> pics of the 72 as promised but I have questions
superdad88
post Jun 25 2011, 03:27 PM
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Ok here are the pics of the car that I am going to buy. I worked on getting it running and I believe I think I know what's wrong with it.

I wasnt getting any spark to the spark plugs. So I traced it all the way back to the MSD. I believe the MSD is bad but wanted to ask you guys for sure before I go and spend 300 bucks.

There is a gold box to the right of the MSD, not sure what this is. I did check the transformer and I am getting voltage from there. I checked the MSD as per their website and from what I can tell its not providing spark.

But what is the gold box? Wanted to make sure it might be something simple and I am missing it before I spent the 300 bucks.
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post Jun 26 2011, 08:44 AM
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With a points / coil system, the points open to collapse the field in the coil to produce a spark to the plug. Points wear, corrode, pit, closing the gap set and decreasing the time for saturation of the secondary winding in the coil .... known as dwell. Decreased dwell time ... decreased spark energy. This wear also changes the timing of the engine.

Points replacement ... cheap so to speak:

Two types ... magnetic (Hall effect) and optical triggers .... The magnetic ones have magnets embedded in a device that goes over the point cam of the dizzy with a module that "senses" the passing of the magnets and causes collapse of the secondary coil windings, producing a spark.

Optical is a light beam between two LEDs. Slots in the trigger wheel allow the light to pass, producing a trigger to collapse the secondary windings in the coil.

Both systems produce maximum dwell time for saturation of the coil = best spark energy.

The optical systems generally have a trigger box, which is nothing more than a capacitor that charges rapidly. When triggered, it shoots more stable voltage to the coil than a conventional system, supposedly insuring a maximum spark energy to the plugs.

The MSD, Crane Hy-Fire, and I don't remember the rest of them are basically the same .... They trigger a coil or a transformer (Porsche CDI is a transformer ... the CDI unit shoots 400 Volts to the "coil" which is why they won't work with a standard coil). High energy coils are used with these systems for hotter spark. A conventional coil can overheat and explode if fed to much voltage.

So, in this case, the PO was using an optical trigger to trigger the MSD which fires the coil ... coil is probably matched to the MSD for higher spark energy ... actually just redundancy as the MSD could have been triggered with points (and all the associated problems with points ... variable dwell, incorrect timing due to wear).

If the Gold box were hooked directly to a "standard" coil or a "hot" coil, the system would produce spark, reliably without varying dwell or timing as there is nothing to wear.

Oh well .... more coffee. Google Crane XR700 and you will find installation instructions for it. Pretty simple.


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superdad88   pics of the 72 as promised but I have questions   Jun 25 2011, 03:27 PM
kg6dxn   You should be able to bypass the MSD and get it to...   Jun 25 2011, 03:37 PM
vsg914   I'm a fuel injection guy, so don't know mu...   Jun 25 2011, 03:40 PM
Cairo94507   None of those three boxes look original to me. Bu...   Jun 25 2011, 03:45 PM
superdad88   You should be able to bypass the MSD and get it t...   Jun 25 2011, 03:56 PM
ArtechnikA   The gold box looks like yet another CDI box, but i...   Jun 25 2011, 04:18 PM
superdad88   Can you point me in a direction to where some pics...   Jun 25 2011, 04:23 PM
SLITS   The gold boxlooks like a Crane XR700 or XR3000 opt...   Jun 25 2011, 05:30 PM
superdad88   Ok so your saying disconnect the MSD unit and inst...   Jun 25 2011, 06:01 PM
ArtechnikA   what coil do you have now? might be OK. The point...   Jun 25 2011, 06:04 PM
superdad88   not sure what points i have now and dang i wish i ...   Jun 25 2011, 06:51 PM
kg6dxn   Here is the basic MSD wiring. If you take the trig...   Jun 25 2011, 11:48 PM
Prospectfarms   Kg6dxn wrote: "Here is the basic MSD wiring....   Jun 26 2011, 07:22 AM
ArtechnikA   Would you mind restating that?: It's stated p...   Jun 26 2011, 07:51 AM
SLITS   With a points / coil system, the points open to co...   Jun 26 2011, 08:44 AM
superdad88   Acording to some pics i have seen it looks like it...   Jun 26 2011, 09:08 AM
superdad88   Would you mind restating that?: The MSD can be t...   Jun 26 2011, 09:19 AM
ArtechnikA   That's how I checked to see if the MSD was ba...   Jun 26 2011, 09:42 AM
Spoke   [quote name='ArtechnikA' post='1500301' date='Jun...   Jun 26 2011, 09:50 AM
SLITS   Either box or both could be no good. If you aren...   Jun 26 2011, 09:36 AM
superdad88   I paid him for it yesterday. :) with the understa...   Jun 26 2011, 09:38 AM
SLITS   I paid him for it yesterday. :) with the underst...   Jun 26 2011, 09:47 AM
Prospectfarms   Thanks everyone for the education. Superdad, I h...   Jun 26 2011, 10:22 AM
superdad88   WE HAVE SPARK!!!! I took the MSD ...   Jun 27 2011, 01:02 PM
SLITS   WE HAVE SPARK!!!! I took the MSD...   Jun 27 2011, 05:38 PM
Dave_Darling   Wait wait wait--you said carb? Does this have car...   Jun 27 2011, 07:17 PM
superdad88   Well I just assumed it was a carb engine. Didnt k...   Jun 28 2011, 04:57 AM
ArtechnikA   Well I just assumed it was a carb engine. Didnt ...   Jun 28 2011, 05:49 AM
SUNAB914   I don't think this will be a easy as it sounds...   Jun 28 2011, 07:02 AM
SLITS   In another thread, he had stated that one of his r...   Jun 28 2011, 07:25 AM
superdad88   In another thread, he had stated that one of his ...   Jun 28 2011, 10:00 AM
skota   Nice buy, love the color :)   Jun 28 2011, 10:13 AM
superdad88   Yeah, I can't wait to get it running so I can ...   Jun 28 2011, 10:39 AM
superdad88   Here are some pics of the motor and the fuel pump....   Jun 28 2011, 04:33 PM
KELTY360   Here are some pics of the motor and the fuel pump...   Jun 28 2011, 04:36 PM
superdad88   Whats a D-jet and why is that a plus? Sorry i am ...   Jun 28 2011, 04:38 PM
SLITS   Whats a D-jet and why is that a plus? Sorry i am...   Jun 28 2011, 04:51 PM
superdad88   Whats a D-jet and why is that a plus? Sorry i a...   Jun 28 2011, 05:23 PM
SLITS   The + in fuel injection (D-Jet) is mileage (expect...   Jun 28 2011, 06:04 PM
Hammy   BTW, none of your pics show the fuel pump. The las...   Jun 28 2011, 07:18 PM
SLITS   Hey Zach .... MPS correct ... other item is the de...   Jun 28 2011, 07:48 PM
Hammy   Hey Zach .... MPS correct ... other item is the d...   Jun 28 2011, 08:30 PM


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