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> Who has bought the inner rocker from AA, I meant to ask about the rocker
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post Jun 30 2011, 06:33 PM
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I am curious whether it comes with a zinc coating, just red shop primer, or raw steel

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post Jun 30 2011, 07:50 PM
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You can do it yourself - cheap and readily available. Thats what I'm doing

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-10...mp;ddkey=Search
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QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jun 30 2011, 05:50 PM) *

You can do it yourself - cheap and readily available. Thats what I'm doing

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-10...mp;ddkey=Search



Can this spray be welded to / against the edge ??? I've been using SEM weld through primer , and have to scratch away the primer in the areas that get tacked / plug welded as it really doesn't give a good condutive surface. Really more for corosion protection under the welded layered surfaces of the long / jackpost area that I'm working on to patch rusted out places . That rustolem product would be great to spray up into the longs after the por 15 metalready bath .Gonna have to get some , thanks for posting that product.

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QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jun 30 2011, 05:50 PM) *

You can do it yourself - cheap and readily available. Thats what I'm doing

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-10...mp;ddkey=Search



Can this spray be welded to / against the edge ??? I've been using SEM weld through primer , and have to scratch away the primer in the areas that get tacked / plug welded as it really doesn't give a good condutive surface. Really more for corosion protection under the welded layered surfaces of the long / jackpost area that I'm working on to patch rusted out places . That rustolem product would be great to spray up into the longs after the por 15 metalready bath .Gonna have to get some , thanks for posting that product.

Jack


Jack,

I'm planning on doing minimum welding (if any). I'll be using this panel adhesive. The edges need to be clean and thin layer of this product applied, it will act as primer. I bought the adhesive and the gun and now in the process of making templates. Another advantage is that I'm using galvanized steel for all my patch panels. I have a thread on the club site that I'll updating as I go.

http://3mcollision.com/3m-panel-bonding-adhesive-08116.html

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Jack,

I'm planning on doing minimum welding (if any). I'll be using this panel adhesive. The edges need to be clean and thin layer of this product applied, it will act as primer. I bought the adhesive and the gun and now in the process of making templates. Another advantage is that I'm using galvanized steel for all my patch panels. I have a thread on the club site that I'll updating as I go.

http://3mcollision.com/3m-panel-bonding-adhesive-08116.html

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Mike


What panels are you replacing with the epoxy? Nothing structural I hope.

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Jack,

I'm planning on doing minimum welding (if any). I'll be using this panel adhesive. The edges need to be clean and thin layer of this product applied, it will act as primer. I bought the adhesive and the gun and now in the process of making templates. Another advantage is that I'm using galvanized steel for all my patch panels. I have a thread on the club site that I'll updating as I go.

http://3mcollision.com/3m-panel-bonding-adhesive-08116.html

Thanks,
Mike


What panels are you replacing with the epoxy? Nothing structural I hope.

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Inner rocker panels, hell hole patches, small firewall access patch around hell hole, small tunel patch, the passenger side crossmember. Speaking of structual, they gue roofs and beds, I think that's structural.
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QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jul 1 2011, 03:16 PM) *


Jack,

I'm planning on doing minimum welding (if any). I'll be using this panel adhesive. The edges need to be clean and thin layer of this product applied, it will act as primer. I bought the adhesive and the gun and now in the process of making templates. Another advantage is that I'm using galvanized steel for all my patch panels. I have a thread on the club site that I'll updating as I go.

http://3mcollision.com/3m-panel-bonding-adhesive-08116.html

Thanks,
Mike



What panels are you replacing with the epoxy? Nothing structural I hope.

John


Inner rocker panels, hell hole patches, small firewall access patch around hell hole, small tunel patch, the passenger side crossmember. Speaking of structual, they gue roofs and beds, I think that's structural.


True but they are not life safety related. The data sheet for that adhesive says that it is not for structural repairs. I would definitely weld anything that is structural.
On a related note as an architect I would only use adhesive based roofs occasionally. I usually spec mechanically fastened roofs.

Sorry if this post comes off sounding the wrong way. I'm just concerned for safety.

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QUOTE(obscurity @ Jul 1 2011, 03:21 PM) *

QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jul 1 2011, 03:16 PM) *


Jack,

I'm planning on doing minimum welding (if any). I'll be using this panel adhesive. The edges need to be clean and thin layer of this product applied, it will act as primer. I bought the adhesive and the gun and now in the process of making templates. Another advantage is that I'm using galvanized steel for all my patch panels. I have a thread on the club site that I'll updating as I go.

http://3mcollision.com/3m-panel-bonding-adhesive-08116.html

Thanks,
Mike



What panels are you replacing with the epoxy? Nothing structural I hope.

John


Inner rocker panels, hell hole patches, small firewall access patch around hell hole, small tunel patch, the passenger side crossmember. Speaking of structual, they gue roofs and beds, I think that's structural.


True but they are not life safety related. The data sheet for that adhesive says that it is not for structural repairs. I would definitely weld anything that is structural.
On a related note as an architect I would only use adhesive based roofs occasionally. I usually spec mechanically fastened roofs.

Sorry if this post comes off sounding the wrong way. I'm just concerned for safety.

John


John,
you're absolutely right about fasteners, I consider that superior to welding. I live in NYC area and all the bridges and high rises use fasteners. I was thinking of doing that, but some places are difficult to access with fastener gun. I also consider adhesives superior to welding - this is based on my own research, I've been wrong many times before. They use adhesives on new carbon fiber Boeing 787, Airbus has been gluing tail stabilizers for a while now. The disadvantage to gluing is the wait for it to set and cure - not good for mass production evironment where time is money. In my case it's not a problem.
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Mike.
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QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jul 1 2011, 04:45 PM) *

John,
you're absolutely right about fasteners, I consider that superior to welding. I live in NYC area and all the bridges and high rises use fasteners. I was thinking of doing that, but some places are difficult to access with fastener gun. I also consider adhesives superior to welding - this is based on my own research, I've been wrong many times before. They use adhesives on new carbon fiber Boeing 787, Airbus has been gluing tail stabilizers for a while now. The disadvantage to gluing is the wait for it to set and cure - not good for mass production evironment where time is money. In my case it's not a problem.
Thanks,
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The new Aston Martins are aluminum unibody that is glued together.
They were showing the process on HD theatre (I think) and the engineers said that it is stronger than welding.
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