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> Front end changeover in progress..., 8/8- Alignment woes
jk76.914
post Sep 9 2010, 07:45 PM
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I'm finally getting rid of the 4-to-5 lug adapters and doing a real Porsche 5 lug front suspension. Contrary to normal practice, which is normal for me, I guess, I'm installing real 914/6 struts with new Bilstein inserts. I bought the parts about 5 years ago on eBay, and the kit was all-inclusive, with freshly painted struts and new ball joints, bearings, rotors, pads, and brake hardware, and rebuilt M calipers. My excuse is I didn't know any better at the time, or I'd have looked for a later 911 set with the later bearing type, but alas, I own it now and everything is in real nice shape.

I think I'm good to go on parts and tools, but I'm trying to find out the torque requirement for the lock bolt for the ball joint. It's an M10 x 30mm x 1.5mm pitch, going into steel threads in the strut; presumably the lower part of the strut, below the tube, is forged.

Looks like an M10 grade 12.9 bolt is good for 50 ft-lbs, but I don't want to chance stripping out the threads. Nor do I want the BJ to pop because it's too loose. Does anyone know the torque spec? Thanks! Picture below-

PS- any tips for installing this type of strut? Thanks!

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post Jul 21 2011, 05:05 AM
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ArtechnikA- Thanks for the comments, that may be it or part of it...

I thought of another clue. When my wife pushed on the pedal, there wasn't much flow. On some pushes, there may have been none, or at least so little as to be undetectable. There're weren't bubbles on these pushes either. The most effective combination was 5-7 psi at the MS while she pressed the pedal....

Could the front pistion in the MS be stuck forward?
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QUOTE(jk76.914 @ Jul 21 2011, 07:05 AM) *

The most effective combination was 5-7 psi at the MS while she pressed the pedal....
Could the front pistion in the MS be stuck forward?

I can't say it's impossible, but there is a nice spring in the MC to return the pistons.
What's the history on this MC ?

You should also note that the first thing that happens when the MC pistons move forward is that they shut off any connection to the reservoir - otherwise, pedal action would just pump fluid back up into the reservoir rather than the brake circuits. So nothing you're doing by pressurising the reservoir should have any effect.

If it's an excess-travel thing you should be able to pump the pedal (couple of quick shots) and get pressure. If that doesn't help, you probably still have air in the lines. Let them sit, preferably overnight, while tapping on them with a small brass or plastic hammer, to help dislodge and coalesce bubbles.

It's also possible that you managed to get air in the rear brake circuit - you bled the back too, yes ?

I presume you've checked plunger rod free play. There must be -some- -- I think the book number is about 1mm. If there is none, or preload, you're interfering with that connection to the reservoir.

If none of that helps, it may be time to pull the calipers back off the car and bench-bleed them... PITA but some calipers need it more than others. I never had to do it to 'M's but it has the advantage of removing unknowns.
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jk76.914   Front end changeover in progress...   Sep 9 2010, 07:45 PM
ripper911   :bump: IDK   Sep 10 2010, 05:18 PM
ArtechnikA   I think I'm good to go on parts and tools, bu...   Sep 11 2010, 05:32 AM
jk76.914   I think I'm good to go on parts and tools, b...   Sep 11 2010, 06:26 AM
ArtechnikA   ...This means that the bolt is at least a 10.9 gr...   Sep 11 2010, 06:31 AM
jk76.914   ...This means that the bolt is at least a 10.9 g...   Sep 11 2010, 07:15 AM
jk76.914   Picked up an official Bilstein gland nut wrench fo...   Sep 29 2010, 06:34 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Picked up an official Bilstein gland nut wrench f...   Sep 30 2010, 10:18 AM
jk76.914   Well, I bought those inserts back in '02 whe...   Sep 30 2010, 06:27 PM
Eric_Shea   Factory Manual = 47ftlbs. Not following... you ...   Sep 29 2010, 07:00 PM
ArtechnikA   99.9% of them are fine. One article in Pano and ...   Sep 30 2010, 04:43 AM
jk76.914   I lucked out. Thanks for the vote of confidence. ...   Sep 29 2010, 08:23 PM
Eric_Shea   OK... 98% Just saying... T-Struts, pinch or pin a...   Sep 30 2010, 09:14 AM
ArtechnikA   Just saying... T-Struts, pinch or pin are the per...   Sep 30 2010, 06:51 PM
Eric_Shea   Don't worry Jim... that's just our Cap...   Sep 30 2010, 06:33 PM
jk76.914   Don't worry Jim... that's just our Cap...   Sep 30 2010, 06:44 PM
Eric_Shea   :rotfl: Let me know how that turns out. ...   Sep 30 2010, 06:49 PM
Eric_Shea   The struts that were on 99.9% of the T's yes.....   Sep 30 2010, 08:03 PM
jk76.914   Getting this together finally. Painted the struts...   Jun 23 2011, 06:51 PM
ArtechnikA   Is there anything unique about this washer? I wou...   Jun 24 2011, 06:41 AM
jk76.914   Is there anything unique about this washer? I wo...   Jun 25 2011, 08:05 AM
jk76.914   Painted John Deere green. I coated it with Ben Mo...   Jun 23 2011, 07:00 PM
MoveQik   You can also see the stickers Bilstein sent me w...   Jun 23 2011, 10:20 PM
jk76.914   Starting point. Those 5 lug adapters have been on...   Jun 23 2011, 07:06 PM
Eric_Shea   Nice job on the struts... nine months oughts be en...   Jun 23 2011, 10:07 PM
FourBlades   I never knew about the wrench and never got one in...   Jun 24 2011, 06:50 AM
jk76.914   I never knew about the wrench and never got one i...   Jun 25 2011, 07:52 AM
jk76.914   Just finished a fit check of most parts. Everythi...   Jun 26 2011, 06:46 PM
jk76.914   bump. :bump:   Jun 26 2011, 06:47 PM
jk76.914   (shrinking pics to make my posts more readable) ...   Jun 26 2011, 06:48 PM
jk76.914   Thinking about it, maybe the struts are different ...   Jun 26 2011, 06:51 PM
jk76.914   Oops. Forgot to mention. Those plated dust shiel...   Jun 26 2011, 06:57 PM
ArtechnikA   Couldn't say for sure, since I've never do...   Jun 26 2011, 07:56 PM
Eric_Shea   Thanks Jim... Happy to help. Just bend the shield...   Jun 26 2011, 10:39 PM
jk76.914   Got the driver's side strut out. The castle n...   Jul 2 2011, 01:36 PM
ArtechnikA   I got tired of the sliding and just put some ...   Jul 2 2011, 01:45 PM
jk76.914   Well I'm finally getting closer. I replaced t...   Jul 21 2011, 04:33 AM
ArtechnikA   Regarding brakes- The brakes seem to be bled, no...   Jul 21 2011, 04:39 AM
jk76.914   ArtechnikA- Thanks for the comments, that may be ...   Jul 21 2011, 05:05 AM
ArtechnikA   The most effective combination was 5-7 psi at the...   Jul 21 2011, 05:17 AM
Eric_Shea   Leave it like it is and bed your pads using the pr...   Jul 21 2011, 09:12 AM
jk76.914   Leave it like it is and bed your pads using the p...   Jul 22 2011, 04:06 AM
jk76.914   OK, I got it. As Eric indicated, the new rubber d...   Jul 22 2011, 08:27 PM
jk76.914   Getting there. Devil's in the details I s...   Aug 7 2011, 06:42 PM
jk76.914   Built a big T-square to set toe. Before I started...   Aug 7 2011, 07:40 PM
jk76.914   Took it for alignment on Thursday morning. They c...   Aug 8 2011, 04:17 AM


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