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> Hey Brad, how's the Kitcarlson FI coming, Any progress on the replacement FI syste
Rog914
post Apr 2 2004, 10:27 AM
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It's been awhile and just wondering how the Kitcarlson FI system your testing is coming? It looks to be a good relacement for all are 914-4 engines. I know your very busy, just like to know how the testing is coming along.

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Brad,
Make sure the base timing is set first with the engine off. Crank at 8 degrees, trailing edge of interrupter just past "center" of sensor "A". The center of sensor has notches ~ 0.050" where the emitters and detectors are located. Also make sure you run with the dist cap "on" to block external light .

In the TR (timing RPM) the first value should be 8 for the eight degrees. The second value should be zero, this is where the base idle will be. Timing = 8 (base) +TR + TM (timing MAP). This is what the communication reports in DEG. If base timing is wrong, all timing will be messed up.

At sub idle speeds "LT" indicated locked timing, it is used for starting, During LT (start-up for example the dwell starts at the leading edge of interrupter and spark happens at tailing edge. The width of the interrupter is about 40 crank degrees. If you want to test while cranking with timing light remove plug wires connect spare plugs to a plate connected to ground, this provides load for the ignition yet keeps engine from starting.
An alternate method is to, detach the red coil wire to defeat ignition put a scope on the tach out put. Slowly turn the crank, you will see a 50mS blip at 8 deg BTDC and 8 deg BBDC if all is correct. If you do not have a scope, connect a small test light (< 1 amp) or white LED with series resistor to +12V the other lead to the Tach Out and you have a solid state timing light! Just look for the timing mark when the light blinks.

If your timing is too advanced you will find you will have to add more fuel as you bring the idle down. If timing is correct, set idle speed with air screw on throttle body.

I made the "save" to keep from saving all the time. EEproms can wear out after 100,000 writes, that is many setup changes, but I still worry about things wearing out. I detect when changes are made and suggest a "S" save is necessary before shutting if you want to retain changed setup data. Just look before shutting off for the "S". There are ways to make it automatic, however it adds hardware complexity and cost. The system has 3 levels of memory, FLASH for factory default setups, EEprom for EEprom setup retention, and RAM for normal operation. I sure you have noticed adjustments can be done real time without a miss or tick. You just need to make sure whatever adjustment you make is in an active cell (correct for temperature, MAP,rpm ...). All this is planned to be improved in the near future.

As you experiment with the tuning don't hesitate to ask questions. I can learn from your experinces and improve the user interface.

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Rog914   Hey Brad, how's the Kitcarlson FI coming   Apr 2 2004, 10:27 AM
bernbomb914   Me too :question: Bernie   Apr 2 2004, 11:17 AM
Jake Raby   I'm waiting too! He and I are gonna do som...   Apr 2 2004, 11:41 AM
KitCarlson   Me Too! :lol: I have not stopped developmen...   Apr 2 2004, 03:21 PM
Jake Raby   Kit, I need a system ASAP!   Apr 2 2004, 04:35 PM
Rog914   Jake, glad to hear your interest in F.I. I know a...   Apr 2 2004, 09:54 PM
ChrisReale   My car is the tester. We are doing body work now....   Apr 2 2004, 10:10 PM
McMark   Better watch out Chris. If I get my engine togeth...   Apr 3 2004, 12:58 AM
KitCarlson   Jake, With luck, I can be ready in one week. Kit   Apr 3 2004, 08:40 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   I am ready for the harness...just waiting for the ...   Apr 3 2004, 08:45 AM
KitCarlson   The Jeff Bowlsby built harness will be a great add...   Apr 3 2004, 06:32 PM
Rog914   Brad, are you still around?   Apr 4 2004, 07:13 PM
Jake Raby   Sweet, Yes I always have a ton of guys with intere...   Apr 5 2004, 09:37 AM
McMark   Just wanted to update everyone. The engine is in ...   Apr 26 2004, 05:05 PM
Brad Roberts   It runs. More info later. B   Apr 26 2004, 08:23 PM
DNHunt   Great, you guys gonna have it at the WCC. I sure w...   Apr 26 2004, 09:23 PM
nebreitling   Kit, Brad, Jake, Bowlsby et al. you are equal par...   Apr 26 2004, 10:55 PM
Brad Roberts   Not real good right now. Trying to get my laptop t...   Apr 26 2004, 10:57 PM
Jake Raby   I NEED A SYSTEM! Friggin webers went up 300 b...   Apr 27 2004, 06:10 AM
KitCarlson   Jake, I am building one with your name on it. If ...   Apr 27 2004, 06:21 AM
Jake Raby   Great.... This is hitting at the perfect moment, a...   Apr 27 2004, 06:25 AM
KitCarlson   Mark, Brad, The communications interface is 57,60...   Apr 27 2004, 06:40 AM
Jake Raby   DAAAAMMMMNNN! Ping! LOL   Apr 27 2004, 08:19 AM
Brad Roberts   We timed it not too long after that pic was taken...   Apr 27 2004, 09:17 AM
McMark   I got it to talk! I'll spare the details....   Apr 27 2004, 12:29 PM
Brad Roberts   Hyperterminal works fine. I was tweaking the syste...   Apr 27 2004, 09:38 PM
KitCarlson   Brad, Make sure the base timing is set first with ...   Apr 28 2004, 07:40 AM
KitCarlson   Brad, Mark, I am starting to have kittens wonderin...   Apr 30 2004, 07:06 AM
McMark   Too many projects, not enough time.   Apr 30 2004, 09:04 AM
Brad Roberts   I wont fool with it again until Saturday. It is no...   Apr 30 2004, 10:38 AM


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