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> Piston/Cylinders, Are they built well?
davidj
post Nov 29 2011, 10:49 PM
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I was lurking around today for some piston/Cylinder kits and came across these and wanted to know if they were good for a "Street Performance" engine. I do know that these are less expensive then the Nickeys. But still could be a good product.

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103mm Aluminum Alloy, NiCaSil-coated cylinder From European Motorworks $735.00

And then came across these from AA. And was wondering if these are better then the stock cast iron type?

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96MM ALUMINUM BIRAL CAST IRON PISTON/CYLINDER KIT $385.95

If anyone has any experience with these I would apreciate it to hear from you.

Thanx, Dave
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QUOTE(davidj @ Nov 29 2011, 08:49 PM) *

I was lurking around today for some piston/Cylinder kits and came across these and wanted to know if they were good for a "Street Performance" engine. I do know that these are less expensive then the Nickeys. But still could be a good product.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.europeanmotorworks.com-9771-1322628561.1.jpg)
103mm Aluminum Alloy, NiCaSil-coated cylinder From European Motorworks $735.00

And then came across these from AA. And was wondering if these are better then the stock cast iron type?

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/c767170.r70.cf2.rackcdn.com-9771-1322628561.2.jpg)
96MM ALUMINUM BIRAL CAST IRON PISTON/CYLINDER KIT $385.95

If anyone has any experience with these I would apreciate it to hear from you.

Thanx, Dave


"Birals" have iron liners and alloy fins. They are NOT to be confused with either "Alusil" or "Nikasil" piston/cylinder sets. It's old technology, used by Porsche (and, I'm sure, others) in the 50s and 60s.

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"Birals" have iron liners and alloy fins. They are NOT to be confused with either "Alusil" or "Nikasil" piston/cylinder sets. It's old technology, used by Porsche (and, I'm sure, others) in the 50s and 60s.

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What I'd like to know, are these (Birals) a better choice then the all iron type? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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"Birals" have iron liners and alloy fins. They are NOT to be confused with either "Alusil" or "Nikasil" piston/cylinder sets. It's old technology, used by Porsche (and, I'm sure, others) in the 50s and 60s.

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What I'd like to know, are these (Birals) a better choice then the all iron type? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Aluminum does a much better job of shedding heat than pure cast iron does...so they do that much better..
the core cylinder is still the same..its iron with no fancy coating to have issues with.

Its also 356 technology..which has been replaced my the nickasil or alusil units a long time ago....

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"Birals" have iron liners and alloy fins. They are NOT to be confused with either "Alusil" or "Nikasil" piston/cylinder sets. It's old technology, used by Porsche (and, I'm sure, others) in the 50s and 60s.

The Cap'n


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
What I'd like to know, are these (Birals) a better choice then the all iron type? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Aluminum does a much better job of shedding heat than pure cast iron does...so they do that much better..
the core cylinder is still the same..its iron with no fancy coating to have issues with.

Its also 356 technology..which has been replaced my the nickasil or alusil units a long time ago....

Rich


I'm at home today and can't look it up, but I think they used Biral until the 2.2 engines, and maybe the 2.4s.. ol, yes, but it's still viable technology. BTW, I think it was also used in aircraft engines, but I could be wrong.

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davidj   Piston/Cylinders   Nov 29 2011, 10:49 PM
mrbubblehead   i saw those too. and was wondering the same thing.   Nov 29 2011, 10:59 PM
Chris Hamilton   So far I've talked to a few VW high performanc...   Dec 1 2011, 12:48 AM
davidj   So far I've talked to a few VW high performan...   Dec 1 2011, 10:02 AM
maf914   Thanks for the info. Its good to know that you ca...   Dec 2 2011, 02:47 PM
davidj   Thanks for the info. Its good to know that you c...   Dec 2 2011, 03:20 PM
396   Sub   Dec 1 2011, 02:00 AM
Mark Henry   IIRC Supertec sells them for the 911 crowd, he get...   Dec 1 2011, 08:20 AM
Cap'n Krusty   I was lurking around today for some piston/Cylind...   Dec 1 2011, 11:55 AM
davidj   "Birals" have iron liners and alloy fi...   Dec 1 2011, 01:21 PM
r_towle   "Birals" have iron liners and alloy f...   Dec 1 2011, 01:33 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='davidj' post='1581519' date='Dec 1 2...   Dec 1 2011, 02:48 PM
McMark   Have you read this article? LN Engineering. The ...   Dec 1 2011, 09:35 PM
Chris Hamilton   Have you read this article? LN Engineering. The...   Dec 2 2011, 12:18 AM
davidj   Have you read this article? LN Engineering. The...   Dec 2 2011, 01:55 PM
sean_v8_914   NPR is a HUGE company with vast experience. they m...   Dec 2 2011, 08:56 AM
maf914   When LN Engineering first got started they offered...   Dec 2 2011, 02:01 PM
Dr Evil   Birals look like they take way more work for not m...   Dec 3 2011, 11:20 AM
Jake Raby   Birals look like they take way more work for not ...   Dec 3 2011, 11:42 AM
gil914   . Anyone waiting for the cost of Chinese knockoff...   Jan 21 2012, 09:20 PM
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