 Ignition Starter wire to solenoid kills engine, Newby needs help w/ 1973 1.7L 914 Denver, CO |
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| Broz97 |
 Nov 29 2011, 06:53 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Mile High Denver Member No.: 13,407 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
Hello 914 World... What a terrific site and help to anything 914. Now here is my dilemma... Need help in Denver, CO
I have been sorting my friends 1973 1.7L FI D-Jet 914 for a couple months now including all fuel and vacuum hoses, hell hole, clean and lube distributor, new points and condenser, fuel injector seals, intake rubbers, all Rennlist checks... et al. Good news.... She runs great when I start her with a remote starter... Bad news is the motor starts really hard and won.t stay running if I use the ignition switch or even attempt to push the yellow wire onto the solenoid when it is idling after a remote switch start. Of course it makes sense that maybe the ignition switch is crap and bleeding off current or...? I have ordered a new switch but... Maybe I missing something here.... Like I said it runs and is so tuneable if I remote start and dead to me if I use the ignition switch as designed. Anyone got any ideas on how to check this out... BTW, I have wrenching on bikes Triumph, BSA and most of the Japanese stuff nad a few VW bugs since the 60's and find the 914 pretty wrench friendly... |
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| SLITS |
Dec 1 2011, 06:12 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
And I should have added that the white wire that goes to the red wire on the AAR is switched 12 VDC. Hot at all times the key is on. Comes from pin 12 on the relay board to the AAR. Wire is in the engine harness.
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| Broz97 |
Dec 1 2011, 10:40 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Mile High Denver Member No.: 13,407 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Dec 1 2011, 05:12 PM)  And I should have added that the white wire that goes to the red wire on the AAR is switched 12 VDC. Hot at all times the key is on. Comes from pin 12 on the relay board to the AAR. Wire is in the engine harness. Thanks to everyone who chimed in... dang weather is so bad I can't get at it for a couple days... BUT I will and I will do the checks recommended and post results.... Thanks jcd914 As you said, no white wire on coil w/ 1.7 D-Jet... I spent quite a while tonight researching any post about a white wire on coil and came up with the L-Jet 1.8 using that white coil wire to trigger FI pulses (914club forum)... No reference to a 1973 D-Jet 1.7L... so off it comes to remain disconnected... BTW: When that white lead is connected to the + power side of the coil the fuel pump runs constantly, hope that tells someone something. Sure hope it still runs with the white wire off the - coil terminal... I'll let you all know......... Thank You rick 918-S for the color wiring diagrams.. BIG help Thank You cwpeden, I will get to the relay board soon Thank You Tom, I will also check that yellow wire for voltage and the spade connector for voltage with key on... Majkos When I say remote start I am talking a handheld switch with wires running to the solenoid. No relay setup. The growl I am referencing is the Hum of the fuel pump running constant. >And that dusting of snow we got here is approaching six inches as well..LOL Thanks SLITS, the starter circuit info is really helpful. BTW, white wire to AAR is present and hooked up. The white wire I'm referencing is off the FI harness near the coil. Doesn't show in any 1.7L wiring diagram.. weird deal... Below I have posted a wider perspective photo of that white wire... Stay tuned Gentlemen.... more detail to follow asap... Best, Broz97 Attached image(s) 
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| jcd914 |
Dec 1 2011, 11:13 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,092 Joined: 7-February 08 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 8,684 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Broz97 @ Dec 1 2011, 08:40 PM) QUOTE(SLITS @ Dec 1 2011, 05:12 PM) And I should have added that the white wire that goes to the red wire on the AAR is switched 12 VDC. Hot at all times the key is on. Comes from pin 12 on the relay board to the AAR. Wire is in the engine harness. BTW: When that white lead is connected to the + power side of the coil the fuel pump runs constantly, hope that tells someone something. Sure hope it still runs with the white wire off the - coil terminal... I'll let you all know......... Slits is right about pin 12 as the power source for the white wire to the AAR but the diagrams I have show pin 12 is down stream of the fuel pump relay and should only get power when the relay to energised and the pump should run. If the white wire you have hooked to the coil, should be hooked to the AAR then this would explain why the pump runs anytime the key is on as you are back feeding the fuel pump from the coil. That would also mean that the white wire you have hooked to the AAR is for the cold start thermo switch or the air temp sensor. If it is the cold start wire then your cold start injector will ground thru the AAR and spray all the time the engine is cranking. You are probably going to have to use an ohm meter and pull the ECU connector to trace out which white wire goes to which terminal at the ECU and the fuse panel. Not sure how any of that ties into the starter circuit. Jim This post has been edited by jcd914: Dec 1 2011, 11:20 PM |
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| Broz97 |
Dec 10 2011, 02:40 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Mile High Denver Member No.: 13,407 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(jcd914 @ Dec 1 2011, 10:13 PM) QUOTE(Broz97 @ Dec 1 2011, 08:40 PM) QUOTE(SLITS @ Dec 1 2011, 05:12 PM) And I should have added that the white wire that goes to the red wire on the AAR is switched 12 VDC. Hot at all times the key is on. Comes from pin 12 on the relay board to the AAR. Wire is in the engine harness. BTW: When that white lead is connected to the + power side of the coil the fuel pump runs constantly, hope that tells someone something. Sure hope it still runs with the white wire off the - coil terminal... I'll let you all know......... Slits is right about pin 12 as the power source for the white wire to the AAR but the diagrams I have show pin 12 is down stream of the fuel pump relay and should only get power when the relay to energised and the pump should run. If the white wire you have hooked to the coil, should be hooked to the AAR then this would explain why the pump runs anytime the key is on as you are back feeding the fuel pump from the coil. That would also mean that the white wire you have hooked to the AAR is for the cold start thermo switch or the air temp sensor. If it is the cold start wire then your cold start injector will ground thru the AAR and spray all the time the engine is cranking. You are probably going to have to use an ohm meter and pull the ECU connector to trace out which white wire goes to which terminal at the ECU and the fuse panel. Not sure how any of that ties into the starter circuit. Jim Back to work here after a cold snap.... A couple things Jim... The AAR wire has an end specific to its plastic block connector and the AAR is working. The cold start injector wire is a multiple wire specific plug and it is inserted. Maybe another look at the harnesses and the mystery wite wire in situ will help.. See Pics. Can anyone with a 1973 1.7 take a look at their harness and see if they have a white wire located in the same place. The harness in question has a gray sheath on my car and the wire comes out near the coil of the bundle that has the FI / distibutor plug lead and the 3 wire plug lead to the cold start injector. The mystery wire is some distance from the plenum grounds as you can see. Attached image(s)   
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Broz97 Ignition Starter wire to solenoid kills engine Nov 29 2011, 06:53 PM
brant I don't know the answer
doesn't sound like... Nov 29 2011, 07:02 PM
Broz97
I don't know the answer
doesn't sound lik... Nov 30 2011, 10:00 AM r_towle look under the passenger seat.
If you see what loo... Nov 30 2011, 10:29 AM majkos :popcorn: Progress ?
I'm in Lakewood, so sor... Nov 30 2011, 11:17 AM Broz97
:popcorn: Progress ?
I'm in Lakewood, so so... Nov 30 2011, 12:34 PM r_towle not sure if you have it...its a 73/74 thing...one ... Nov 30 2011, 12:45 PM Broz97
not sure if you have it...its a 73/74 thing...one... Nov 30 2011, 01:36 PM Broz97
[quote name='r_towle' post='1581041' date='Nov 30... Nov 30 2011, 02:19 PM rnellums
not sure if you have it...its a 73/74 thing...one... Nov 30 2011, 07:06 PM Broz97
not sure if you have it...its a 73/74 thing...on... Nov 30 2011, 07:22 PM vsg914 Thats just the connection to make the fasten seat ... Nov 30 2011, 02:58 PM Broz97
Thats just the connection to make the fasten seat... Nov 30 2011, 03:16 PM Broz97
Thats just the connection to make the fasten sea... Nov 30 2011, 03:20 PM vsg914 White wire on the coil? Where does it go? What oth... Nov 30 2011, 04:33 PM underthetire Er, green should be on the -. That should be from ... Nov 30 2011, 07:51 PM Broz97
Er, green should be on the -. That should be from... Nov 30 2011, 08:07 PM majkos No, the problem is car is running but the wires is... Nov 30 2011, 08:20 PM 76-914 Now I'm confused about the logic board. I have... Nov 30 2011, 08:38 PM majkos :toke:
weird, huh? Nov 30 2011, 08:41 PM Broz97
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weird, huh?
Thanks guys for adding som... Dec 1 2011, 12:38 PM underthetire Move the green wire and try to figure out where th... Nov 30 2011, 09:40 PM 76-914 Who needs trigger points, just wire them all in ho... Nov 30 2011, 09:44 PM majkos
Who needs trigger points, just wire them all in h... Nov 30 2011, 09:54 PM underthetire
Who needs trigger points, just wire them all in ... Nov 30 2011, 10:10 PM majkos
[quote name='majkos' post='1581287' date='Nov 30 ... Nov 30 2011, 10:13 PM rick 918-S
If you click on the picture you will get a c... Nov 30 2011, 09:50 PM majkos Dam Rick!
You're good :first: Nov 30 2011, 09:56 PM phatnine11 never mind, brain fart!
Cesar Nov 30 2011, 10:03 PM jcd914 At the coil there should be a black and red wire g... Dec 1 2011, 12:58 AM cwpeden How does the relay board look? Bad Starter realy ... Dec 1 2011, 01:33 AM vsg914 Move the green wire to the- side of the coil. Remo... Dec 1 2011, 05:40 AM Tom Broz97,
Someone has done some rewiring. Here i... Dec 1 2011, 09:11 AM majkos So the remote starter is clipped to the starter it... Dec 1 2011, 01:52 PM SLITS Starter wire.....
Comes from ignition switch to P... Dec 1 2011, 04:54 PM majkos That make sense.
Now Broz, get out there and chec... Dec 1 2011, 05:14 PM vsg914 There is one more white wire in that area, but onl... Dec 10 2011, 03:46 PM Broz97
There is one more white wire in that area, but on... Dec 16 2011, 08:55 AM vsg914 If you would have listened to us to begin, with yo... Dec 16 2011, 09:31 AM |
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