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> Piston/Cylinders, Are they built well?
davidj
post Nov 29 2011, 10:49 PM
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I was lurking around today for some piston/Cylinder kits and came across these and wanted to know if they were good for a "Street Performance" engine. I do know that these are less expensive then the Nickeys. But still could be a good product.

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103mm Aluminum Alloy, NiCaSil-coated cylinder From European Motorworks $735.00

And then came across these from AA. And was wondering if these are better then the stock cast iron type?

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96MM ALUMINUM BIRAL CAST IRON PISTON/CYLINDER KIT $385.95

If anyone has any experience with these I would apreciate it to hear from you.

Thanx, Dave
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post Jan 22 2012, 09:12 AM
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I don't get how a 13-15.5 month backlog is viewed as positive. I would love an engine from you Jake but it's completely out of my price range which I'm sure put me outside your demographic in marketing. If i did decide to come off my savings account to the tune of 13k for a good turnkey motor, I would not be pleased about waiting a year and a half for a company to deliver on it when I paid top dollar. I understand the careful selection of parts and endless qc and testing. It just seems a bit excessive to toss in as bragging rights.
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post Jan 22 2012, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(Haudiosolutions @ Jan 22 2012, 07:12 AM) *

I don't get how a 13-15.5 month backlog is viewed as positive. I would love an engine from you Jake but it's completely out of my price range which I'm sure put me outside your demographic in marketing. If i did decide to come off my savings account to the tune of 13k for a good turnkey motor, I would not be pleased about waiting a year and a half for a company to deliver on it when I paid top dollar. I understand the careful selection of parts and endless qc and testing. It just seems a bit excessive to toss in as bragging rights.


These days it takes 105 hours to design, machine, assemble and test one of our engines. This is up tremendously due to aging core components and a down hill spiral in the OEM based components that require meticulous preparation to achieve reliability, longevity and performance.

My current backlog is kept up to date weekly right on my website and very seldom does anyone expect it to be a faster process than what it is. its not a secret or surprise to my purchasers about our current backlogs. We never rush to accommodate those people- they can buy a lesser engine for less money and get it delivered more quickly from every single other company in the industry. The difference isn't just the engine, it is also the process and how the entire creation of the engine is handled to include post delivery support.

You will walk through our entire 30,000 square foot facility and will not find a single clock. No one here is paid to do their work "quickly". The day that haste doesn't make waste is the day when I will find it acceptable to turn an engine around in one week.

The other difference is I propose a strict delivery date for my purchasers based on the current backlog and their particular engine. I do this at the onset of the project and we deliver on time. Lots of companies these days will say "Yeah, I can have it done in 2 months, give me your money and lets get started"... The difference is they get the engine a year later and get lied to the entire time. One example can be found on my forums where someone was promised an engine in 3 months (from someone who wishes he was a competitor at our level) and 20 months later he still doesn't have it. I state the facts up front and if people can't wait that long- so be it.. We won't rush or hire lesser experienced and trained assemblers just to get more work done/ quicker.

The key is the fact that the majority of our purchasers are building a car from scratch which will take them more than 13 months to finish. Knowing that piss poor planning leads to poor performance means that people order the engine early and the car is ready to accept it upon delivery.


You can't rush success, but you can damn sure rush failure.
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davidj   Piston/Cylinders   Nov 29 2011, 10:49 PM
mrbubblehead   i saw those too. and was wondering the same thing.   Nov 29 2011, 10:59 PM
Chris Hamilton   So far I've talked to a few VW high performanc...   Dec 1 2011, 12:48 AM
davidj   So far I've talked to a few VW high performan...   Dec 1 2011, 10:02 AM
maf914   Thanks for the info. Its good to know that you ca...   Dec 2 2011, 02:47 PM
davidj   Thanks for the info. Its good to know that you c...   Dec 2 2011, 03:20 PM
396   Sub   Dec 1 2011, 02:00 AM
Mark Henry   IIRC Supertec sells them for the 911 crowd, he get...   Dec 1 2011, 08:20 AM
Cap'n Krusty   I was lurking around today for some piston/Cylind...   Dec 1 2011, 11:55 AM
davidj   "Birals" have iron liners and alloy fi...   Dec 1 2011, 01:21 PM
r_towle   "Birals" have iron liners and alloy f...   Dec 1 2011, 01:33 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='davidj' post='1581519' date='Dec 1 2...   Dec 1 2011, 02:48 PM
McMark   Have you read this article? LN Engineering. The ...   Dec 1 2011, 09:35 PM
Chris Hamilton   Have you read this article? LN Engineering. The...   Dec 2 2011, 12:18 AM
davidj   Have you read this article? LN Engineering. The...   Dec 2 2011, 01:55 PM
sean_v8_914   NPR is a HUGE company with vast experience. they m...   Dec 2 2011, 08:56 AM
maf914   When LN Engineering first got started they offered...   Dec 2 2011, 02:01 PM
Dr Evil   Birals look like they take way more work for not m...   Dec 3 2011, 11:20 AM
Jake Raby   Birals look like they take way more work for not ...   Dec 3 2011, 11:42 AM
gil914   . Anyone waiting for the cost of Chinese knockoff...   Jan 21 2012, 09:20 PM
Jake Raby   . Anyone waiting for the cost of Chinese knockof...   Jan 22 2012, 04:33 AM
sean_v8_914   ...walmart nation in a pick n save world where GEX...   Jan 21 2012, 10:12 PM
sean_v8_914   viva la empi china   Jan 21 2012, 10:13 PM
Haudiosolutions   I don't get how a 13-15.5 month backlog is vie...   Jan 22 2012, 09:12 AM
Jake Raby   I don't get how a 13-15.5 month backlog is vi...   Jan 22 2012, 12:09 PM
904svo   Just remember you get what you pay for JUNK= low p...   Jan 22 2012, 10:55 AM
Mueller   Bump to see if the quality of those P/C's from...   Jan 6 2015, 06:22 PM
colingreene   I think it was indicated, that its not bad, but yo...   Jan 6 2015, 09:26 PM
Trapnm   Any update on the European Motorworks Nikasil cyli...   Apr 20 2017, 02:04 PM
Mueller   Any update on the European Motorworks Nikasil cyl...   Apr 20 2017, 04:28 PM
914_teener   You can call them and get one.   Apr 20 2017, 02:18 PM


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