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partwerks
post Jan 21 2012, 07:06 PM
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Would anyone happen to have paper drawings/pattern for making the plates for the chassis stiffening kit that I could use to copy over to the sheet metal to make the plates?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-Chassi...=item1c22d5af47
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mikea100
post Jan 23 2012, 02:58 PM
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I made my own set because I wanted it to be galvanized as all my patches and Maddog said that it'd be too expensive to cut just 1 custom set for me. If you don't needed it to be customized, then just buy it, he charges about $50 over the price of raw material (according to my calculations). Also, I enjoy metal fabrication, so I did everything myself from drawing templates to cutting metal to welding. But if you're going to pay somebody to do it, then I guess it's just easier to buy finished product.

As far as the question of what's better Engman kit or this, let me say that I have them both (Engman not yet installed). I know a guy who has Engman kit installed and he says that it didn't do much for him, which is not what the majority on this board thinks though.

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post Jan 23 2012, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jan 23 2012, 02:58 PM) *

I made my own set because I wanted it to be galvanized as all my patches and Maddog said that it'd be too expensive to cut just 1 custom set for me. If you don't needed it to be customized, then just buy it, he charges about $50 over the price of raw material (according to my calculations). Also, I enjoy metal fabrication, so I did everything myself from drawing templates to cutting metal to welding. But if you're going to pay somebody to do it, then I guess it's just easier to buy finished product.

As far as the question of what's better Engman kit or this, let me say that I have them both (Engman not yet installed). I know a guy who has Engman kit installed and he says that it didn't do much for him, which is not what the majority on this board thinks though.

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You were welding galvanized steel???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)
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post Jan 23 2012, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jan 23 2012, 06:06 PM) *

QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jan 23 2012, 02:58 PM) *

I made my own set because I wanted it to be galvanized as all my patches and Maddog said that it'd be too expensive to cut just 1 custom set for me. If you don't needed it to be customized, then just buy it, he charges about $50 over the price of raw material (according to my calculations). Also, I enjoy metal fabrication, so I did everything myself from drawing templates to cutting metal to welding. But if you're going to pay somebody to do it, then I guess it's just easier to buy finished product.

As far as the question of what's better Engman kit or this, let me say that I have them both (Engman not yet installed). I know a guy who has Engman kit installed and he says that it didn't do much for him, which is not what the majority on this board thinks though.

Just my .02



You were welding galvanized steel???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)


Yes, I did both galvanized and galvanneal. All Porsches from 77 going forward are galvanized.
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post Jan 23 2012, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jan 23 2012, 04:37 PM) *

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jan 23 2012, 06:06 PM) *

QUOTE(mikea100 @ Jan 23 2012, 02:58 PM) *

I made my own set because I wanted it to be galvanized as all my patches and Maddog said that it'd be too expensive to cut just 1 custom set for me. If you don't needed it to be customized, then just buy it, he charges about $50 over the price of raw material (according to my calculations). Also, I enjoy metal fabrication, so I did everything myself from drawing templates to cutting metal to welding. But if you're going to pay somebody to do it, then I guess it's just easier to buy finished product.

As far as the question of what's better Engman kit or this, let me say that I have them both (Engman not yet installed). I know a guy who has Engman kit installed and he says that it didn't do much for him, which is not what the majority on this board thinks though.

Just my .02



You were welding galvanized steel???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)


Yes, I did both galvanized and galvanneal. All Porsches from 77 going forward are galvanized.

I believe that Clay is pointing out that you are putting yourself at risk by welding galvanized steel. It puts out some seriously nasty fumes. At a minimum, you need to grind off any galvanizing on and around your welds. For the stiffening kit, that would pretty much be all of it.

Or you could just hold your breath the whole time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
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post Jan 23 2012, 08:58 PM
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I believe that Clay is pointing out that you are putting yourself at risk by welding galvanized steel. It puts out some seriously nasty fumes.

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post Jan 23 2012, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 23 2012, 09:58 PM) *

QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Jan 23 2012, 06:51 PM) *
I believe that Clay is pointing out that you are putting yourself at risk by welding galvanized steel. It puts out some seriously nasty fumes.

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Thank you for the concern, but I do all my welding outside with fan, so ventilation is very good (needless to say that I don't use gas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ). I don't want to sound argumentative, but I have heard of the health hazards of welding galvanized and did a rather extensive research on the topic. I've read about flu like symptoms and such, but there is no definitive and conclusive evidence of permanent health risk. If you know of any research articles to the contrary, I would love to read them. My second point is that Restoration Design - a premier provider of sheet metal panels - uses galvanneal steel. I asked Peter that question, here's the thread, page #3, posts #3 and #4
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...ea100&st=40

And my last point is how they fix body panels of modern day galvanized cars. I realize that some panels are glued, riveted etc., but there must be some welding done.
Also, take a look at content of weld thru primers, they consist of 93-95% zinc. I just purchased Engman kit and it came with weld thru primer as well which I think is a great idea.
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post Jan 24 2012, 09:24 AM
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I have to weigh in here being a perfesser doing real tox studies. I did a VERY quick medline search and found that zinc welding is associated with metal fume fever (MFF). Which is as you say flu like and associated with an inflammatory response. It sounds like if you are consistently upwind of the fumes you would be OK. (The kind of OK I am while spraying 2-part urethane paint with supplied air and still feeling a bit of a cough - not really OK.) Most of the studies involve people who do this a lot, especially in asia. With that said I saw a few serious case studies including a case of meningitis, which might have been coincidental. That wouldn't stop me from working with the stuff, but then I am an IDIOT. Be cautious.

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partwerks   Chassis stiffening kit patterns   Jan 21 2012, 07:06 PM
396   Would anyone happen to have paper drawings/patter...   Jan 21 2012, 07:16 PM
Racer Chris   For the time involved and the fact that your taki...   Jan 21 2012, 10:10 PM
scotty b   Would anyone happen to have paper drawings/patter...   Jan 21 2012, 07:29 PM
Elliot Cannon   [quote name='partwerks' post='1609166' date='Jan ...   Jan 21 2012, 10:27 PM
scotty b   [quote name='scotty b' post='1609177' date='Jan 2...   Jan 22 2012, 08:54 AM
bandjoey   i think what they're saying is there are sever...   Jan 21 2012, 08:19 PM
JRust   I happen to know he has a chassis kit already? May...   Jan 21 2012, 08:36 PM
sean_v8_914   I dont make mine anything like that kit on ebay . ...   Jan 21 2012, 10:09 PM
partwerks   I can get all the sheet metal and punch or drill t...   Jan 21 2012, 11:36 PM
Eric_Shea   Lest we forget... These are all copies of the or...   Jan 22 2012, 01:01 AM
URY914   I have the the kit minus two pieces but you can ma...   Jan 22 2012, 07:45 AM
partwerks   PM sent.   Jan 22 2012, 08:57 AM
kfish914   I think I know why I never got respnses to some of...   Jan 22 2012, 10:34 AM
J P Stein   As Slick points out, back in the day Porsche built...   Jan 22 2012, 11:23 AM
Elliot Cannon   Maybe it's just the lack of tact that made thi...   Jan 22 2012, 12:45 PM
Dr Evil   I dont appreciate your tone, Ellyut! :angry:   Jan 22 2012, 02:56 PM
Elliot Cannon   I dont appreciate your tone, Ellyut! :angry: ...   Jan 22 2012, 04:55 PM
Dr Evil   I dont appreciate your tone, Ellyut! :angry:...   Jan 22 2012, 05:15 PM
Elliot Cannon   [quote name='Elliot Cannon' post='1609682' date='...   Jan 22 2012, 07:29 PM
Dr Evil   I understand Scotty's initial problem with the...   Jan 22 2012, 03:02 PM
JRust   I think it is overkill for you anyway Lyle. The en...   Jan 22 2012, 06:43 PM
Dr Evil   I think it is overkill for you anyway Lyle. The e...   Jan 22 2012, 08:53 PM
partwerks   Thanks Jamie! I was wondering if it was reall...   Jan 22 2012, 06:52 PM
Andyrew   Thanks Jamie! I was wondering if it was real...   Jan 23 2012, 01:18 PM
euro911   Listen up, Elliot, try to help me remember to give...   Jan 23 2012, 12:07 AM
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euro911   Trying to get the ugly black car back on the road ...   Jan 23 2012, 01:02 AM
bulitt   Anyone have a Metallica Black Album I can borrow? ...   Jan 23 2012, 05:09 AM
charliew   I will say almost anything fabricated can be impro...   Jan 23 2012, 09:02 AM
Eric_Shea   Seriously guys... Have you looked at the link? Th...   Jan 23 2012, 11:27 AM
PeeGreen 914   Seriously guys... Have you looked at the link? T...   Jan 23 2012, 01:04 PM
MDG   If so... Let me get my #2 lead sharpened and open...   Jan 23 2012, 02:48 PM
worn   Would anyone happen to have paper drawings/patter...   Jan 23 2012, 11:56 AM
PeeGreen 914   I am new here relatively speaking, but I am rea...   Jan 23 2012, 01:07 PM
Eric_Shea   :wttc: If you're wanting to make enemies I...   Jan 23 2012, 01:53 PM
worn   Thanks, I liked what I saw, and tell the truth, I ...   Jan 23 2012, 02:29 PM
John   Thanks, I liked what I saw, and tell the truth, I...   Jan 23 2012, 10:52 PM
mepstein   Eric - I've already copied your 914-6 aluminum...   Jan 23 2012, 01:58 PM
Mark Henry   Eric - I've already copied your 914-6 aluminu...   Jan 23 2012, 02:21 PM
Eric_Shea   Nada... have at it. ;)   Jan 23 2012, 02:01 PM
dflesburg   Good God, What is this? the 1985 Camaro forum? ...   Jan 23 2012, 02:34 PM
Haudiosolutions   Good God, What is this? the 1985 Camaro forum? ...   Jan 23 2012, 09:49 PM
mikea100   I made my own set because I wanted it to be galvan...   Jan 23 2012, 02:58 PM
ClayPerrine   I made my own set because I wanted it to be galva...   Jan 23 2012, 05:06 PM
mikea100   I made my own set because I wanted it to be galv...   Jan 23 2012, 06:37 PM
bigkensteele   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='1610435' date='Ja...   Jan 23 2012, 08:51 PM
SirAndy   I believe that Clay is pointing out that you are p...   Jan 23 2012, 08:58 PM
mikea100   [quote name='bigkensteele' post='1610601' date='J...   Jan 23 2012, 10:23 PM
worn   I have to weigh in here being a perfesser doing re...   Jan 24 2012, 09:24 AM
Eric_Shea   Probably the same thing. Most are copies of the...   Jan 23 2012, 03:03 PM
partwerks   Put a bar between the firewall and the rear suspen...   Jan 23 2012, 09:25 PM
mikea100   Put a bar between the firewall and the rear suspe...   Jan 23 2012, 10:27 PM
Racer Chris   Search for Heim rods. To the best of my knowledge...   Jan 24 2012, 05:39 AM
Chris Hamilton   There are a TON of parts for 914s that are copies ...   Jan 23 2012, 10:02 PM
John   I'll go out and trace mine if you really want....   Jan 23 2012, 11:02 PM
partwerks   I see where the rod ties the two together, but not...   Jan 23 2012, 11:06 PM
PeeGreen 914   On that kit you would be better off buying from Ch...   Jan 23 2012, 11:42 PM
mikea100   On that kit you would be better off buying from C...   Jan 24 2012, 08:07 AM
Woody   I have a complete Maddog kit if your interested. ...   Jan 24 2012, 07:25 AM


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