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| DRPHIL914 |
Mar 1 2012, 09:05 AM
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Dr. Phil ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,907 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Kennesaw, GA Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...Q0X01-M04KS.DTL
or http://articles.cnn.com/2012-02-29/opinion...t?_s=PM:OPINION when i bought my 914 i was going to go EV IF i could not get the engine running, but did get it running and thus saw the $20,000 cost to convert using LiPo batteries, so passed for the time being. however, since my son is an engineering major at USC(south carolina) this subject keeps coming up. Hydogen, Propane, compressed natural gas, all options. this just came up yesterday with the high gas prices, Back in minnesota all of our busses ran on propane. so why not our 914's? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) food for thought.... |
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| underthetire |
Mar 1 2012, 10:26 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
Well, I was buying 1.5 Lipo's for my airplanes at 45.00 per battery about 3-4 years ago, now the same battery costs me $9.95 now with a higher discharge rate. A 10Cell 5.0 with super high discharge rate is about $125.00 now, it was over $600 back then, and the new ones are far better.
How many static amps and voltage would you need? I'm guessing 50 packs of the 10cell ones would be a good start? That would give you 250 amps static and 12500+ burst. |
| DRPHIL914 |
Mar 1 2012, 10:40 AM
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Dr. Phil ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,907 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Kennesaw, GA Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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Well, I was buying 1.5 Lipo's for my airplanes at 45.00 per battery about 3-4 years ago, now the same battery costs me $9.95 now with a higher discharge rate. A 10Cell 5.0 with super high discharge rate is about $125.00 now, it was over $600 back then, and the new ones are far better. How many static amps and voltage would you need? I'm guessing 50 packs of the 10cell ones would be a good start? That would give you 250 amps static and 12500+ burst. pretty close- you are talking75% less that they were, and at a higher discharge rate etc. you would not need to do much conversion- or use either of the trunks for battery storage. just the current gas tank location and if you wanted more range, build a rack above the motor in the current engine location, so about $5k for batteries, $$3.5k for the motor, controlers etc. plus misc supplies and this might be possible to do under 10k, get one of those west coast rollers for $500 bucks and off you go- (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
| ape914 |
Jul 15 2012, 12:59 AM
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red locktite ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 240 Joined: 7-February 11 From: In front of a computer Member No.: 12,676 Region Association: None |
Well, I was buying 1.5 Lipo's for my airplanes at 45.00 per battery about 3-4 years ago, now the same battery costs me $9.95 now with a higher discharge rate. A 10Cell 5.0 with super high discharge rate is about $125.00 now, it was over $600 back then, and the new ones are far better. How many static amps and voltage would you need? I'm guessing 50 packs of the 10cell ones would be a good start? That would give you 250 amps static and 12500+ burst. pretty close- you are talking75% less that they were, and at a higher discharge rate etc. you would not need to do much conversion- or use either of the trunks for battery storage. just the current gas tank location and if you wanted more range, build a rack above the motor in the current engine location, so about $5k for batteries, $$3.5k for the motor, controlers etc. plus misc supplies and this might be possible to do under 10k, get one of those west coast rollers for $500 bucks and off you go- (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) $10,000 for conversion, that would buy 2500 gallons of gasoline at $4/gal. I could go about 75,000 mile on that, 15+ years of driving, and that dont count the cost of electricity to charge them. ( and the price of Californian electricity is set to double with the carbon trading scheme coming on line) Will the batteries even last 15 years? |
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That would be T.Boone Pickens, not Tbone.
:rot... Mar 1 2012, 09:44 AM
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[quote name='orange914' post='1637232' date='Mar ... Mar 19 2012, 08:21 PM
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rick 918-S In addition to the low energy, you need a large vo... Mar 1 2012, 10:08 AM
Philip W.
LiPo batteries are cheap now, just sayin.
when... Mar 1 2012, 10:10 AM
andys A guy I worked with 30 years ago had a propane Che... Mar 1 2012, 10:58 AM
Vacca Rabite
A conversion (electric, diesel, propane) is a sim... Mar 1 2012, 11:05 AM
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Philip W. http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/h2.htm
or hydrogen... Mar 1 2012, 11:03 AM
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zymurgist
Personally, I think a tiny diesel hybrid set up w... Mar 19 2012, 03:27 PM
damesandhotrods
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zymurgist
I don’t understand why they’re building gas/b... Mar 19 2012, 04:24 PM
Smitty911
I don’t understand why they’re building gas/... Mar 19 2012, 07:30 PM
ClayPerrine
I don’t understand why they’re building gas/... Mar 19 2012, 08:23 PM
orange914
:idea:
Instead of large, heavy battery packs... Mar 19 2012, 08:32 PM

ClayPerrine
[quote name='ClayPerrine' post='1649448' date='Ma... Mar 19 2012, 08:41 PM
ThePaintedMan
:idea:
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broomhandle
This is exactly what the Toyota TS030 was equ... Jul 13 2012, 11:10 AM

ThePaintedMan
[quote name='ThePaintedMan' post='1708479' date='... Jul 13 2012, 11:49 AM

broomhandle
[quote name='ThePaintedMan' post='1708479' date=... Jul 13 2012, 12:09 PM

ThePaintedMan
well, it is a race car.... haha
the little audi... Jul 13 2012, 12:42 PM

zymurgist
Yeah the Accord is a long way from what it once w... Jul 13 2012, 12:47 PM
ape914
:idea:
Instead of large, heavy battery packs... Jul 15 2012, 01:07 AM
ThePaintedMan
Fluid units??? why not just state the kwHrs / m... Jul 15 2012, 11:03 AM
Strudelwagon Guys, Speaking from experience (10 years in NGV Fl... Mar 1 2012, 11:48 AM
Philip W.
Hydrogen, I see a couple test cars running around... Mar 1 2012, 11:57 AM
ClayPerrine I did the research to convert my pickup to dual fu... Mar 1 2012, 12:02 PM
Strudelwagon
I did the research to convert my pickup to dual f... Mar 1 2012, 12:45 PM
02loftsmoor did you get the oil leak repaired on your 6 ?
... Mar 19 2012, 10:18 PM
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wingnut86 Phil,
I believe much of that research has been in... Mar 1 2012, 12:33 PM
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ape914
for one thing T Boon is using Naural Gas, in his ... Jul 15 2012, 01:12 AM
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johannes I watched this video yesterday...
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Af... Mar 20 2012, 06:05 AM
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