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| FastFebut |
Nov 6 2012, 07:36 PM
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| jela5958 |
Nov 8 2012, 09:31 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 18-January 11 From: Bakersfield, CA Member No.: 12,607 Region Association: Central California |
![]() According to Hagerty's Valuation Tool a '73 concourse (Condition 1) 2.0 pegs out at $31K. Condition 2 cars (former concourse) peg out at roughly $23K. If the documentation is there to authenticate that every nut & bolt is original or factory correct, then it's worth the money. Authentication starts with a COA, then certification from a bona fide Porsche authority or restorer, and then ownership history documentation. If the owner has ALL of that then the car is worth somewhere between $23k and $31K ... if any of that documentation is missing, it doesn't matter how flawless the car, it's currently only worth somewhere between $14K and $23K. Granted, if someone's willing to pay $25K or more, great for the seller but that doesn't make the car a concourse car or worth the money paid for one. |
| Tom_T |
Nov 10 2012, 03:51 PM
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TMI.... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,321 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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According to Hagerty's Valuation Tool a '73 concourse (Condition 1) 2.0 pegs out at $31K. Condition 2 cars (former concourse) peg out at roughly $23K. If the documentation is there to authenticate that every nut & bolt is original or factory correct, then it's worth the money. Authentication starts with a COA, then certification from a bona fide Porsche authority or restorer, and then ownership history documentation. If the owner has ALL of that then the car is worth somewhere between $23k and $31K ... if any of that documentation is missing, it doesn't matter how flawless the car, it's currently only worth somewhere between $14K and $23K. Granted, if someone's willing to pay $25K or more, great for the seller but that doesn't make the car a concourse car or worth the money paid for one. A couple of clarifications are of note here. 1.) PCA Zone 8 rules are only that 75% of interior, exterior, etc. be original to the car as built & left the factory - not 100%. 2.) "Documentation" of every nut & bolt being original is not required, as it is usually judged by physical inspection, and it really only comes up under challenge at Parade level for close cars in the final phase, which is not usually the case. The more accurate test is "period & maker correct" - especially for cars which are actually driven & not a permanent museum piece. This is true even in non-PCA concours circles, and certainly not what Hagerty means by #1 & #2. 3.) #2 is for an older restoration or preservation prep/condition, & they compete in concours all the time at #2 level cars. 4.) I agree that in most circumstances the seller should not only get a COA on a car of this level & survivor/originality condition, but also fix the little stuff. However even PCNA says that the window sticker & original documentation trumps their often inaccurate COAs (I speak from firsthand experience unfortunately), and they'll even give a discount on the COA if you supply a copy of the window sticker (which IIRC this car has). I would also expect the seller in this class & price to repair the center console & AC, etc. to perfect running order, or to be flexible on the price. In this case - a family grieving the loss and trying to raise money to travel cross-country for a veteran's funeral - I wouldn't expect that "every t dotted & i crossed" (no I don't have crossed eyes! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ). So the prospective buyer(s) & seller would need to come to mutually agreeable terms with the family. BTW - a prospective serious buyer could probably call PCNA with the VIN, engine & transaxle number & explain the situation & request a pre-purchase verification that it is indeed numbers matching, & tell them that they'd buy the COA as soon as the deal closed & they have official title. PCNA should do this for a prospective buyer, and has done so in the past. . Matt - The new pix are great, and if a prospective buyer has a PPI done - then go along with the car & get some additional underside pix while the car is on the lift for the PPI - or ask for a copy of the buyer/prospect's pix. As of now, I'd add a good clear pic with flash looking down into the Hell Hole under the batter tray down into the firewall/side-frame juncture, & a few of the front & rear suspension mounts of it in your driveway. Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
FastFebut 1973 914 2.0L original owner Nov 6 2012, 07:36 PM
87m491 Not shooting the messenger, but only 3X+ what an o... Nov 6 2012, 07:57 PM
tavoman27
Not shooting the messenger, but only 3X+ what an ... Nov 6 2012, 08:18 PM
Garold Shaffer
Not shooting the messenger, but only 3X+ what an... Nov 6 2012, 09:16 PM
FastFebut
[quote name='tavoman27' post='1764278' date='Nov ... Nov 6 2012, 10:32 PM
dpires914
Just putting the word out there...
http://cgi.eb... Nov 6 2012, 09:10 PM
9146986 Hope it brings that kind of money Nov 6 2012, 09:17 PM
boxstr Doesnt this belong in the EBAY 914 sales? Nov 6 2012, 10:19 PM
rdauenhauer Try and restore 914 back to "original" f... Nov 7 2012, 12:19 AM
OU8AVW Current bid is $25k and has not hit the reser... Nov 7 2012, 04:32 AM
FastFebut
Current bid is $25k and has not hit the rese... Nov 7 2012, 01:20 PM
Cracker Looks like a nice car...any ad that references ... Nov 7 2012, 08:31 AM
FastFebut
Looks like a nice car...any ad that references ... Nov 7 2012, 01:23 PM
Tom_T
Looks like a nice car...any ad that references ... Nov 7 2012, 05:15 PM
dlkawashima
I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file,... Nov 7 2012, 07:57 PM

FastFebut
I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file... Nov 7 2012, 09:33 PM


FastFebut
[quote name='dlkawashima' post='1764741' date='No... Nov 7 2012, 10:01 PM

Tom_T
I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file... Nov 8 2012, 12:47 PM
FastFebut
[quote name='FastFebut' post='1764558' date='Nov ... Nov 7 2012, 09:36 PM
Tom_T
Yea, that vuvox thing was working good but then ... Nov 8 2012, 12:51 PM
mtndawg It seems like a high price to me. It would be a go... Nov 7 2012, 09:26 AM
FastFebut
It seems like a high price to me. It would be a g... Nov 7 2012, 01:26 PM
Tom_T I don't think this one is overpriced, but sett... Nov 7 2012, 12:27 PM
RFoulds I am probably one of several who spoke with the se... Nov 7 2012, 02:21 PM
396 Take the offer and run...unless someone in the fam... Nov 7 2012, 02:39 PM
Cairo94507 Boy I hope that car sells for $25K and upward... Nov 7 2012, 03:59 PM
FastFebut
Boy I hope that car sells for $25K and upwar... Nov 7 2012, 04:15 PM
mittelmotor Hmm....BIN price $25,002, current bid $2... Nov 8 2012, 07:13 PM
mepstein
Hmm....BIN price $25,002, current bid ... Nov 8 2012, 07:31 PM
FastFebut
According to Hagerty's Valuation Tool a ... Nov 9 2012, 01:43 AM
RFoulds Hey, you're doing an excellent job on this, ma... Nov 9 2012, 04:33 PM
RobW IMHO keep the car. If it spent its whole life in y... Nov 10 2012, 08:13 AM
FastFebut
IMHO keep the car. If it spent its whole life in ... Nov 10 2012, 02:50 PM
FastFebut Here's what was on the vuvox.
Enjoy...
http://... Nov 10 2012, 03:04 PM
FastFebut http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i30.p... Nov 10 2012, 03:09 PM
FastFebut http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i30.p... Nov 10 2012, 03:11 PM
jela5958 Tom I agree. I shouldn't have generalized. I w... Nov 10 2012, 08:34 PM
FastFebut
Tom I agree. I shouldn't have generalized. I ... Nov 10 2012, 09:12 PM
turk22 The car looks incredible. Love to see a 914 in suc... Nov 10 2012, 09:16 PM
Ferg
The car looks incredible. Love to see a 914 in su... Nov 10 2012, 09:40 PM
FastFebut
[quote name='turk22' post='1766207' date='Nov 10 ... Nov 14 2012, 11:45 AM
Tom_T
The car looks incredible. Love to see a 914 in s... Nov 14 2012, 01:34 PM
mettelman I live on the wrong coast but may be interested in... Nov 15 2012, 08:01 AM
FastFebut
I live on the wrong coast but may be interested i... Nov 15 2012, 11:21 AM
Tom_T
I live on the wrong coast but may be interested i... Nov 15 2012, 12:45 PM
Evil914
I live on the wrong coast but may be interested ... Nov 16 2012, 08:41 PM
FastFebut
[quote name='Tom_T' post='1768453' date='Nov 15 2... Nov 18 2012, 07:20 PM
Tom_T
[quote name='Tom_T' post='1768453' date='Nov 15 ... Nov 18 2012, 07:41 PM
bulitt Sorry for your loss!
The car is awesome!
G... Nov 19 2012, 09:22 AM![]() ![]() |
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