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> Down In A Blaze Of Unglory - 914s on FIRE!, It can be pretty common, unfortunately. What causes the 914 to catch fire so easily, how to prevent it from happening and what to do if it does happen
tumamilhem
post Dec 4 2012, 02:32 PM
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Has this ever happened to you?

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Video of car on fire: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151125433882341


This is an unfortunate, serious reality and real danger for us 914 owners that tragically happens all too often. But why and how can it be prevented?

I'd like to propose three talking points that could help educate other 914 owners to make necessary precautions to preserve their cars - and their lives:


1. What causes fires in the 914 and why are they so common?

2. What precautions may be done to prevent a 914 from catching fire?

3. If your 914 does catch fire, should you try to put it out or should you stay away in case of an explosion?



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Katmanken
post Dec 4 2012, 07:06 PM
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I actually watched one go up in flames while it was sitting at a traffic light. Car was idling fine, and then smoke appeared out of the engine compartment. The smoke increased, gas began pouring out from under the engine, and flames gradually appeared out of the intake grill.

Engine kept idling fine. Owner looked in the rear view mirror, did a double take, and jumped out of the car.

The rain tray began melting and burning and dropped in. The owner tried to open the engine intake grill- but by then, the latch quit working.

Flames shot out of the grill, the owner opened the trunk and pried the intake grill open with a crowbar.

Flames really shot out and the gas under the car caught fire....

The owner backed up, and finally killed the engine (which was running fine). By then, the fuel lines were broached under the car, and gas kept pouring out from underneath.

The flaming gas pool under the car increased, and caught the rear tires on fire. The flaming rear tires began to expand as the air inside heated. The rear of the car rose up as the tires got giant sized, and one by one, the rear tires blew.

The fire department arrived, and put it out with foam. At no time did I see any energetic magnesium burns.

I believe that a fuel line or injector J tube split on top of the engine, or a hose clamp let go. That sprayed a small stream of gasoline across the warm engine, and eventually it caught fire. Once the fire got going, the upper fuel line ruptured (after the pressure regulator?) to pour gas onto the top of the engine and under the car. The fuel pool under the car eventually caught fire and burned out the lower rubber fuel lines and/or gas filter. Once the lower hoses failed, there was no stopping the gravity fed fuel pouring from the gas tank.

Considering the number of cars I‘ve seen with petrified wooden-like rubber fuel lines or cheap assed low pressure fuel lines, it's a wonder more don't go up.

Cheap insurance is replacing 20-40 year old rubber fuel lines and injector "J" hoses, making sure that all fuel line clamps are the factory recommended ones (rolled edges) and that all clamps are tight. And don't cheapen out. BUY THE EXPENSIVE BUT SAFE HIGH PRESSURE FUEL LINE.
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QUOTE(Katmanken @ Dec 4 2012, 08:06 PM) *

I actually watched one go up in flames while it was sitting at a traffic light. Car was idling fine, and then smoke appeared out of the engine compartment. The smoke increased, gas began pouring out from under the engine, and flames gradually appeared out of the intake grill.

Engine kept idling fine. Owner looked in the rear view mirror, did a double take, and jumped out of the car.

The rain tray began melting and burning and dropped in. The owner tried to open the engine intake grill- but by then, the latch quit working.

Flames shot out of the grill, the owner opened the trunk and pried the intake grill open with a crowbar.

Flames really shot out and the gas under the car caught fire....

The owner backed up, and finally killed the engine (which was running fine). By then, the fuel lines were broached under the car, and gas kept pouring out from underneath.

The flaming gas pool under the car increased, and caught the rear tires on fire. The flaming rear tires began to expand as the air inside heated. The rear of the car rose up as the tires got giant sized, and one by one, the rear tires blew.

The fire department arrived, and put it out with foam. At no time did I see any energetic magnesium burns.

I believe that a fuel line or injector J tube split on top of the engine, or a hose clamp let go. That sprayed a small stream of gasoline across the warm engine, and eventually it caught fire. Once the fire got going, the upper fuel line ruptured (after the pressure regulator?) to pour gas onto the top of the engine and under the car. The fuel pool under the car eventually caught fire and burned out the lower rubber fuel lines and/or gas filter. Once the lower hoses failed, there was no stopping the gravity fed fuel pouring from the gas tank.

Considering the number of cars I‘ve seen with petrified wooden-like rubber fuel lines or cheap assed low pressure fuel lines, it's a wonder more don't go up.

Cheap insurance is replacing 20-40 year old rubber fuel lines and injector "J" hoses, making sure that all fuel line clamps are the factory recommended ones (rolled edges) and that all clamps are tight. And don't cheapen out. BUY THE EXPENSIVE BUT SAFE HIGH PRESSURE FUEL LINE.



Holy shit. All this makes me want to redo all hoses, lines, anything to prevent this from happening. I just bought a 914 LE. Haven't received it yet. Will have to see what needs to be upgraded to give me some peace of mind.
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tumamilhem   Down In A Blaze Of Unglory - 914s on FIRE!   Dec 4 2012, 02:32 PM
tumamilhem   I'll go first. Fortunately, this has never ha...   Dec 4 2012, 02:35 PM
billh1963   Wonder how much he wants for those fuchs? :lol4:   Dec 4 2012, 02:43 PM
tumamilhem   Oh that's just wrong. :/ The guy said he had ...   Dec 4 2012, 02:46 PM
zymurgist   The plastic fuel lines in the tunnel are 40 years ...   Dec 4 2012, 02:51 PM
tumamilhem   Where can I find these stainless fuel lines and ho...   Dec 4 2012, 02:56 PM
JawjaPorsche   Pelican Parts sells them. Where can I find these...   Dec 4 2012, 03:00 PM
Cairo94507   Tangerine racing: http://tangerineracing.com/stain...   Dec 4 2012, 03:01 PM
zymurgist   Tangerine racing: http://tangerineracing.com/stai...   Dec 4 2012, 03:24 PM
tumamilhem   What is a basic fire suppression system? Where can...   Dec 4 2012, 03:03 PM
nathansnathan   This is a problem for vw buses also, which don...   Dec 4 2012, 03:11 PM
tumamilhem   This is a problem for vw buses also, which don...   Dec 4 2012, 03:17 PM
nathansnathan   This is a problem for vw buses also, which don...   Dec 4 2012, 03:58 PM
tumamilhem   [quote name='tumamilhem' post='1778349' date='Dec...   Dec 4 2012, 04:28 PM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='tumamilhem' post='1778349' date='De...   Dec 4 2012, 05:53 PM
Hammy   This is a problem for vw buses also, which don...   Dec 4 2012, 05:04 PM
struckn   This is a problem for vw buses also, which don...   Dec 5 2012, 07:58 PM
Cap'n Krusty   This has been a problem since the cars came onto t...   Dec 4 2012, 03:25 PM
jimkelly   my understanding is that when magnesium catches fi...   Dec 4 2012, 03:45 PM
Johny Blackstain   Magnesium can burn under water so if it lights the...   Dec 4 2012, 03:50 PM
tumamilhem   Magnesium can burn under water so if it lights th...   Dec 4 2012, 04:24 PM
boogie_man   I'm not sure but, did you see the car lurching...   Dec 4 2012, 03:52 PM
Cairo94507   I have yet to locate the system that will be insta...   Dec 4 2012, 04:04 PM
tumamilhem   And what size 30R9 lines for 2.0 stock?   Dec 4 2012, 04:30 PM
nathansnathan   And what size 30R9 lines for 2.0 stock? Here...   Dec 4 2012, 05:12 PM
rgolia   I lost 8 gallons of gas in 3 city blocks in the so...   Dec 4 2012, 04:48 PM
ellisor3   Here is link to some fire supression systems. htt...   Dec 4 2012, 05:10 PM
brant   my understanding is that when magnesium catches f...   Dec 4 2012, 05:32 PM
nathansnathan   I've seen pics where the magnesium fan housing...   Dec 4 2012, 05:57 PM
tumamilhem   Damn, that's scary. :/   Dec 4 2012, 06:32 PM
Bruce Hinds   Dang, all this chatter and nobody mentioned the ig...   Dec 4 2012, 06:47 PM
Katmanken   I actually watched one go up in flames while it wa...   Dec 4 2012, 07:06 PM
tumamilhem   I actually watched one go up in flames while it w...   Dec 4 2012, 08:44 PM
URY914   The fan housing on a Type IV is aluminum. It melts...   Dec 4 2012, 07:14 PM
RickS   A halon extinguisher is the next best thing to a f...   Dec 4 2012, 09:05 PM
rdauenhauer   This has been a problem since the cars came onto t...   Dec 4 2012, 09:30 PM
Dr Evil   I have never been able to ignite tranny cases. I h...   Dec 4 2012, 09:52 PM
carr914   Magnesium can burn under water so if it lights th...   Dec 4 2012, 10:04 PM
GeorgeRud   Halon has the least cleanup, but foam is probably ...   Dec 4 2012, 10:07 PM
tumamilhem   Where is the fuel pump located on a '74? I hav...   Dec 4 2012, 10:21 PM
GeorgeRud   74 is in back under passenger side engine shelf.   Dec 4 2012, 10:28 PM
tumamilhem   So it should be moved then I suppose? What do I ne...   Dec 4 2012, 10:44 PM
stateofidleness   So it should be moved then I suppose? What do I n...   Dec 4 2012, 11:25 PM
montoya 73 2.0   It looks as though they used foam on that Teener. ...   Dec 4 2012, 11:29 PM
maxwelj   To answer the question about catching fire while p...   Dec 5 2012, 02:52 PM
76-914   I'll add one, albeit in "left field...   Dec 5 2012, 03:59 PM
Ductech   I remember a v8 conversion that caught fire in a p...   Dec 5 2012, 04:12 PM
ClayPerrine   This is from personal experience...... Betty and ...   Dec 5 2012, 06:10 PM
tumamilhem   Suppression system aside do to high cost, what kin...   Dec 6 2012, 04:20 PM
nathansnathan   Suppression system aside do to high cost, what ki...   Dec 6 2012, 08:10 PM
iamchappy   SS lines are a must, and this is piece of mind....   Dec 6 2012, 04:25 PM
Dr Evil   B is what you need for gasoline. C is for electric...   Dec 6 2012, 08:44 PM
nathansnathan   B is what you need for gasoline. C is for electri...   Dec 6 2012, 09:01 PM
carr914   Ethanol is relatively new to fuel and a problem t...   Dec 6 2012, 08:51 PM
Dr Evil   Bringing up my old Naval Firefighter knowledge :)   Dec 6 2012, 09:05 PM
Kirmizi   Bringing up my old Naval Firefighter knowledge :)...   Dec 6 2012, 10:01 PM
scotty b   Bringing up my old Naval Firefighter knowledge :...   Dec 6 2012, 10:11 PM
Dr Evil   No, I capitalized the propped nouns do you would k...   Dec 7 2012, 08:33 AM
Madswede   He did say "Naval" not "navel...   Dec 7 2012, 01:21 PM
Porsche930dude   the factory seam sealer puddy seems to be very fla...   Dec 7 2012, 06:32 PM
montoya 73 2.0   I replaced my home extinguishers (powder) to CO2. ...   Dec 7 2012, 10:48 PM
Dr Evil   CO2 removes O2 and heat from the equation so as lo...   Dec 8 2012, 12:07 PM
Drums66   .....Pass me another hotdog.......mine got burned...   Dec 8 2012, 06:30 PM
gaspump   Now you guys have me all shook up. I'm going t...   Dec 8 2012, 08:57 PM
Porschef   The factory fuel lines are a combination of nylon ...   Dec 9 2012, 07:39 AM
jim_hoyland   Some fires look like there's nothing that will...   Dec 9 2012, 08:48 AM
tumamilhem   Damn. That's heartbreaking.   Dec 9 2012, 10:17 AM
Katmanken   I really hope nobody is using cable ties to secure...   Dec 9 2012, 10:47 AM
john_g   Somebody send a photo of a good quality clamp, ple...   Dec 9 2012, 12:18 PM
nathansnathan   I really hope nobody is using cable ties to secur...   Dec 9 2012, 02:06 PM
Katmanken   Here is the one supplied in the factory recall to ...   Dec 9 2012, 01:34 PM
tumamilhem   Not a good use of a 914 fire, but certainly more p...   Dec 12 2012, 01:10 PM
tumamilhem   Maybe he could part out the rest. Look like it...   Dec 12 2012, 01:11 PM
Jgilliam914   I had a 72 with a 1.7 go up in smoke and flames i...   Dec 12 2012, 02:36 PM
914_teener   I had a 72 with a 1.7 go up in smoke and flames ...   Dec 12 2012, 02:52 PM
tumamilhem   I had a 72 with a 1.7 go up in smoke and flames ...   Dec 12 2012, 03:01 PM
Vacca Rabite   I had a 72 with a 1.7 go up in smoke and flames...   Dec 12 2012, 08:48 PM


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