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> conversion to 911 underbody front sway bar, what parts do I need
shuie
post Jan 14 2013, 09:31 AM
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I want to install a later style 911 sway bar on my '71 914. I am not going to 5 lug and I do not want to get into changing the struts on my '71 or swapping an entire 911 front suspension onto the car. I just want to use the later 911 under the body sway bar with the early 914 struts & non vented brakes.

I know I need the tabs for the A-arms. Can I use the 911 A-arms and keep my early struts? Will the early 914 balljoints work in the 911 A-arms? Do I need the aluminum cross member from the 911?

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post Jan 14 2013, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(shuie @ Jan 14 2013, 07:31 AM) *

I want to install a later style 911 sway bar on my '71 914. I am not going to 5 lug and I do not want to get into changing the struts on my '71 or swapping an entire 911 front suspension onto the car. I just want to use the later 911 under the body sway bar with the early 914 struts & non vented brakes.

I know I need the tabs for the A-arms. Can I use the 911 A-arms and keep my early struts? Will the early 914 balljoints work in the 911 A-arms? Do I need the aluminum cross member from the 911?

TIA



This is what I did.

I sourced the 911 a-arms, steel cross member and the under body sway bar as a complete unit purchased online. Don't remember where I got it but you can find a nice one on the Samba but it is a little pricy for me however, it comes with the Struts, hubs and rotors. I spent maybe 250.00 on mine.

I had to replace the ball joints during the install. They must match your struts. Took me a half day to install and then take to the shop to get it aligned. People say it won't be that much different but it is a lot flatter in the corners than before and you can feel the thicker torsion bars.

When they say not adjustable they actually mean not adjustable without removing the bar and replacing with a thicker one. It isn't that hard to do and I honestly don't know why they think it is difficult.

The through body is a lot more work to install and will not benefit you much unless you plan to race. Just my opinion but hey, a lot of people AX these cars.
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(falconfp2001 @ Jan 14 2013, 09:58 PM) *

QUOTE(shuie @ Jan 14 2013, 07:31 AM) *

I want to install a later style 911 sway bar on my '71 914. I am not going to 5 lug and I do not want to get into changing the struts on my '71 or swapping an entire 911 front suspension onto the car. I just want to use the later 911 under the body sway bar with the early 914 struts & non vented brakes.

I know I need the tabs for the A-arms. Can I use the 911 A-arms and keep my early struts? Will the early 914 balljoints work in the 911 A-arms? Do I need the aluminum cross member from the 911?

TIA



This is what I did.

I sourced the 911 a-arms, steel cross member and the under body sway bar as a complete unit purchased online. Don't remember where I got it but you can find a nice one on the Samba but it is a little pricy for me however, it comes with the Struts, hubs and rotors. I spent maybe 250.00 on mine.

I had to replace the ball joints during the install. They must match your struts. Took me a half day to install and then take to the shop to get it aligned. People say it won't be that much different but it is a lot flatter in the corners than before and you can feel the thicker torsion bars.

When they say not adjustable they actually mean not adjustable without removing the bar and replacing with a thicker one. It isn't that hard to do and I honestly don't know why they think it is difficult.

The through body is a lot more work to install and will not benefit you much unless you plan to race. Just my opinion but hey, a lot of people AX these cars.



but... an adjustable through body bar can be adjusted stiffer or softer in about 3 minutes without even removing a wheel. It can be done as needed for different weather (rain), tracks, or desired driving characteristics. no bar removal necessary... just move the drop link up or down. We often change from day to day at the track, or at a miniumum from track to track.
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QUOTE(brant @ Jan 14 2013, 10:13 PM) *

QUOTE(falconfp2001 @ Jan 14 2013, 09:58 PM) *

QUOTE(shuie @ Jan 14 2013, 07:31 AM) *

I want to install a later style 911 sway bar on my '71 914. I am not going to 5 lug and I do not want to get into changing the struts on my '71 or swapping an entire 911 front suspension onto the car. I just want to use the later 911 under the body sway bar with the early 914 struts & non vented brakes.

I know I need the tabs for the A-arms. Can I use the 911 A-arms and keep my early struts? Will the early 914 balljoints work in the 911 A-arms? Do I need the aluminum cross member from the 911?

TIA



This is what I did.

I sourced the 911 a-arms, steel cross member and the under body sway bar as a complete unit purchased online. Don't remember where I got it but you can find a nice one on the Samba but it is a little pricy for me however, it comes with the Struts, hubs and rotors. I spent maybe 250.00 on mine.

I had to replace the ball joints during the install. They must match your struts. Took me a half day to install and then take to the shop to get it aligned. People say it won't be that much different but it is a lot flatter in the corners than before and you can feel the thicker torsion bars.

When they say not adjustable they actually mean not adjustable without removing the bar and replacing with a thicker one. It isn't that hard to do and I honestly don't know why they think it is difficult.

The through body is a lot more work to install and will not benefit you much unless you plan to race. Just my opinion but hey, a lot of people AX these cars.



but... an adjustable through body bar can be adjusted stiffer or softer in about 3 minutes without even removing a wheel. It can be done as needed for different weather (rain), tracks, or desired driving characteristics. no bar removal necessary... just move the drop link up or down. We often change from day to day at the track, or at a miniumum from track to track.


As I said and has been attested by this poster, through body = track, under body = not track. Not my thing and just want a daily ride that is sporty without having to adjust anything. Under body sway bar is fine, easy and affordable. I did it and many have before me.
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shuie   conversion to 911 underbody front sway bar   Jan 14 2013, 09:31 AM
Dave_Darling   The tabs on the A arms for the under-body bar are ...   Jan 14 2013, 09:50 AM
shuie   Why are you changing over? Im just looking ...   Jan 14 2013, 10:24 AM
ruby914   Why are you changing over? Im just looking...   Jan 14 2013, 10:48 AM
jimkelly   dave - as usual - you make some good points here -...   Jan 14 2013, 06:24 PM
jcd914   The brackets/bushing mounts for the under body bar...   Jan 14 2013, 10:55 AM
carr914   I have the Whole Set-up (A Arms, Alum Crossmember,...   Jan 14 2013, 06:45 PM
Jgilliam914   My72 had a under body sway bar when I purchased it...   Jan 14 2013, 07:03 PM
falconfp2001   I want to install a later style 911 sway bar on m...   Jan 14 2013, 10:58 PM
brant   I want to install a later style 911 sway bar on ...   Jan 15 2013, 12:13 AM
falconfp2001   [quote name='falconfp2001' post='1802610' date='J...   Jan 16 2013, 12:44 AM
SLITS   In all the cars I've played with, I have never...   Jan 16 2013, 08:16 AM
MDG   I've built a couple of cars with the under b...   Jan 16 2013, 08:30 AM
Racer Chris   The only drawback is that the rack/master cylind...   Jan 16 2013, 08:53 AM
Spoke   I did the 911 A-arms, t-bars, aluminum crossmember...   Jan 16 2013, 09:36 AM
Eric_Shea   I'd find a way to fix that through body set up...   Jan 16 2013, 11:03 PM
Eric_Shea   :agree: 200%   Jan 16 2013, 11:04 PM
dfelz   Soooo, I just noticed that one of the random items...   Feb 9 2013, 03:53 AM
Spoke   My questions is, can i still use my stock 914 a-a...   Feb 9 2013, 06:26 AM
scotty b   Just run both, then everyone will think you know s...   Feb 9 2013, 07:39 AM
Racer Chris   Just run both, then everyone will think you know ...   Feb 9 2013, 08:36 AM
tscrihfield   [quote name='scotty b' post='1817426' date='Feb 9...   Feb 9 2013, 08:49 AM
dfelz   Just run both, then everyone will think you know ...   Feb 9 2013, 01:37 PM
larryM   i did this about 15 yrs ago - same reason - oem...   Feb 9 2013, 11:11 PM
scotty b   i did this about 15 yrs ago - same reason - oe...   Feb 10 2013, 10:26 AM
dfelz   thanks Larry. I contacted bruce earlier today abou...   Feb 10 2013, 01:14 AM
Eric_Shea   :agree: I'd love to see details on the origina...   Feb 10 2013, 10:32 AM


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